In today’s episode, Jenny Beth Martin exposes the escalating fight over America’s sovereignty — from election vulnerabilities to the border crisis and the breakdown of accountability inside the federal government. Captain Seth Keshel explains the structural weaknesses in voter registration, mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, and why the 2026 elections are at risk. Strategist Floyd Brown breaks down President Trump's bold move of ending deportation protections for Somali nationals, the Medicaid fraud network tied to Al-Shabaab, and the growing influence of foreign enclaves on U.S. politics. Immigration expert Rosemary Jenks details how identity theft, welfare fraud, and non-citizen voting threaten national security, why E-Verify and the SAVE Act are essential reforms, and what states must do to protect their citizens. This episode delivers a comprehensive look at elections, immigration, and the battles over American sovereignty shaping our future.
In this episode of The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth Martin examines the escalating battle over America’s sovereignty, connecting the issues of election integrity, border security, and accountability inside the federal government. Drawing on detailed insight from three national experts, the episode breaks down the policies, vulnerabilities, and political forces shaping the future of U.S. elections and immigration.
Captain Seth Keshel explains the structural weaknesses affecting election security, including corrupt voter registration systems, automatic voter registration, the rise of mail-in voting, and the expanding role of ballot harvesting. He highlights why these vulnerabilities threaten the 2026 elections and outlines the county-level actions citizens must take to secure their local systems. | @RealSKeshel
Floyd Brown, strategist and founder of The Western Journal, analyzes President Trump’s decision to end deportation protections for Somali nationals in Minnesota, the Medicaid fraud network linked to Al-Shabaab, and the political impact of organized foreign enclaves on U.S. elections. He also discusses the collapse of accountability in the justice system and the legacy of the Department of Government Efficiency. | @floydbrown
Rosemary Jenks, Co-Founder and Policy Director of the Immigration Accountability Project, provides a deep dive into the consequences of mass immigration, identity theft by illegal immigrants, welfare fraud, terror financing, and non-citizen voting. She explains the urgency of mandatory E-Verify, the SAVE Act, and the reforms states must implement immediately to protect their economies, elections, and communities. | @I_A_Project
The episode concludes with a call to action urging Americans to demand accountability and support the impeachment of Judge James Boasberg for his role in enabling unlawful surveillance and protecting corruption within the Justice Department.
Host: Jenny Beth Martin, Honorary Chairman, Tea Party Patriots Action | @jennybethm
Narrator (00:00:14):
Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:00:18):
Breaking Today the battle for our elections and our borders is intensifying. President Trump moved to terminate deportation protections for Somali nationals in Minnesota, and the political establishment is panicking. At the same time, new revelations exposed just how deeply the Biden era administrative state corrupted our election processes. This is a Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin and happy Thanksgiving Day, week. Today we're covering the threat to election integrity, the crisis at our borders, and the battle to restore the rule of law. We're joined by three powerful guests, captain Seth Kessel, strategist Floyd Brown in immigration expert Rosemary Jinx. Let's dive right in. Joining me now is former Army captain of military intelligence and Afghanistan, veteran election integrity expert and author of Captain Keys Substack, Seth Kessel. Seth, welcome to the show and thanks for joining me.
Seth Keshel (00:01:14):
Hello, Jenny Beth, it's good to be on with you. Thanks for having me.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:01:17):
So Seth, you said that Americans still misunderstand the real problem with election integrity. What is the number one misconception out there today?
Seth Keshel (00:01:26):
I think the number one misconception about election integrity is that the corruption in it, the corruption in elections I should say, is very simple. The foundation of that is the corruption of the voter registration system. You can see it when you run the basis. Statistics states that have automatic voter registration are almost uniformly Democrat states. If you look at the 2024 electoral map, Kamala Harris won 18 out of 24 states with automatic voter registration. She only won five electoral votes that were not under automatic voter registration. So the system is simple, corrupt voter registration, expand mail-in balloting. The dream is universal mail-in voting of course, and then promote and legalize ballot harvesting, which allows for a ballot collection operation to occur primarily in population dense areas and in certain states for Republican candidates, no matter how good, can't get the numbers they need to win.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:02:17):
So why do you think the Republican officials often misdiagnose a problem and don't completely understand these threats?
Seth Keshel (00:02:24):
I think that they reach for straws honestly. I think that there's too much focus on non-citizens voting when I don't think that illegal immigrants are really voting in significant numbers. They happen in onesies and twosies, and you can see it in Texas when Attorney General Paxton finds cases of illegal immigrants voting. But I think that illegal immigrants are being voted for, they're added to the voter registration file through automatic voter registration. You could find 'em all throughout voter rolls in blue states that have that like California. And I also think that there's too much focus on machines flipping votes. I think it's more of a manual operation.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:02:59):
So do you think that some of the confusion out there is organic or do you think it is created deliberately?
Seth Keshel (00:03:05):
I think that it's a product of people not having done the research and saying buzzwords that make a lot of sense because it's important. I mean, you yourself have promoted a very important piece of legislation, the save act to make sure that we don't have illegal immigrants and non-citizens voting. I think that's absolutely necessary, but I think that the greater corruption of our elections is because people have allowed for elections to become more of a ballot gathering contest rather than a vote receiving contest. And we have a passive means of returning ballots that has been elevated to greater significance than it is motivating people to get out and vote like you used to get the low propensity vote.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:03:41):
Yeah, I completely agree with you on that, Seth, about there are other things that are important. We definitely have promoted the save act and I want it passed into law. And for those who don't remember, it is a bill to ensure that there is of proof of citizenship to register to vote. But even as we were on our bus tour or rather and even as we were on our bus tour, I pointed out that this is just a small wedge in the big overall election integrity pie, and there are a lot of other areas that we have to be focusing on as well. This one is just one that 86% of Americans agree on, and it should be one that is kind of a no-brainer for Congress to pass. Of course, the Democrats still hold it up, but it should be a no-brainer for them.
Seth Keshel (00:04:31):
I think it would be a definitely good passage not only for the meat and potatoes of what the legislation entails, but for shifting the Overton window onto the next thing. At one of my speaking events this year in Davenport, Iowa, I met the state treasurer and he knocked out a four year Democrat incumbent in that position. He was previously a state senator in before the 2020 election, Iowa took a lot of small bites at ridding their elections of corruption and it has paid off. And according to my metrics anyway, Iowa has some of the cleanest elections in the country.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:05:01):
Okay. That is great news about Iowa. And then there's also a bill that has recently passed the Ohio legislature. It will end the four day grace period for mail-in ballots and mandate monthly citizenship checks for the voter rolls. The governor is expected to sign this bill. How significant do you think this bill is?
Seth Keshel (00:05:24):
Anything that can be used to control and corral the abuse of mail-in ballots, whether that's on the front end of the election or on the backend? I think that the method of corrupting elections in the last few years has been to front load mail-in ballots rather than having the optics of trucks backing up to polling stations, tabulation centers being closed down. So every little bit helps. And I think that Ohio already, given that it doesn't have automatic voter registration, is in a pretty good spot to make sure that they maintain control over elections that their people will trust.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:05:56):
What other should Ohio and other seats tackle next?
Seth Keshel (00:06:01):
So the big three, election integrity killers, automatic voter registration, universal or excessive vote by mail. For example, Arizona doesn't have a universal vote by mail in which every registration gets a ballot, it has too much. Three quarters of the ballot comes through the mail and 75% of the vote is also from two counties, Maricopa and Pima counties. And then ballot harvesting. So ballot harvesting, there's states like Arizona that have laws against it, but it's still going on. But for the states that don't have those issues, Ohio doesn't have any of those issues. But Wisconsin has pretty good election laws, but they get abused with same day voter registration. So if you can look through the system and find that there's usually a way to exploit elections in any place, and even in red states like Ohio, the municipalities are going to wind up with racists decided by tens of votes or a hundred votes sometimes. So Biden's FBI did some pretty good work not on presidential elections or Senate elections, but in Democrat primaries with Democrats cheating Democrats in Connecticut and New Jersey, and it shows exactly how the operation goes. They identify registrations that are open that aren't going to be showing up to cast a vote. They make sure a mail-in ballot gets placed on that registration, and over several weeks of early voting, that ballot eventually gets turned in. No one ever sees it.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:07:18):
Okay, Sue, you've said that and you just weren't explaining mail in voting is the number one structural vulnerability. Why does it remain such a big threat and explain to people exactly why it is a problem?
Seth Keshel (00:07:33):
So mail-in voting ultimately allows for a passive means of contributing ballots to the count. So an uninspired vote counts just as much as an inspired vote. Now, people used to track in polling, especially for candidate races, it's extremely motivated to vote for who has the most motivated base because that's the highest likelihood of getting out most of the electorate, including down to the low propensity voters. Mail-in voting creates a system in which you can track ballots, where they go where, and with sophisticated data and technology can understand, these are the one out of four voters, two out of four voters that may or may not vote, but if we go get their ballot in, we're going to win elections. Now you look at the history of other countries that have had mail-in voting, I think that we miss the vote a lot in not citing very standard statistics.
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34 out four seven European nations have outright ban mail-in voting, it's almost impossible to have a ballot mailed in the post. I think there's some loopholes for if you're a citizen living abroad from your country. Mexico doesn't have mail-in voting. Israel doesn't have mail-in voting, but instead we're going back the other way. Jimmy Carter was on a bipartisan panel in 2005 and that panel said that mail-in voting is the single biggest vector of election manipulation because ballots go out and then this data goes with organizations that go track the ballots and ballots. I think that the main factor here is that after Obama, the urban minority coalitions in the inner cities stopped voting and backing Democrat candidates at the levels they did prior to let's say Hillary Clinton coming on in 2016. You could see that in her vote totals all throughout Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta. And the means of getting that back up was to make sure that mail-in ballots go out so they can be passively collected and returned.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:09:23):
Okay. So then a state like Ohio, which is working to shorten the grace period for how long ballots would be accepted after election day, how important do you think shortening that grace period is?
Seth Keshel (00:09:34):
I think that's an important thing because if you look at a lot of, not Cleveland, but some of the more moderate cities in Ohio like Cincinnati, definitely not Columbus either, but you have a lot of Youngs towns that are coming over to the right where first you have Trump and then over time they become like the counties of central Pennsylvania where they become more Republican. I think that that's an important thing for municipal elections, countywide elections, sheriff's elections, to where you're not going to have these tip up races that could have been decided by 50 votes getting decided after the fact. I think that a really interesting, I guess, poetic justice moment was in Seattle on those elections earlier this month where after six days, the socialist candidate who's really never had a professional history and lives on financial support from her parents defeated the incumbent mayor of after many days of mail-in balloting. So it's a bit of live by the sword, die by the sword.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:10:29):
If someone wanted a vulnerable system by design, how close do you think that would be to what we have now in America?
Seth Keshel (00:10:38):
A system of good voting?
Jenny Beth Martin (00:10:40):
Well, no. If they wanted it to just be vulnerable by design, if they were trying to make it vulnerable to cheating or other problems, how close do you think we are if they did it by design to make it that way?
Seth Keshel (00:10:53):
I think that 20, 30 years ago we were great, but over time, these laws that have been put in place in the blue states, they've come to control. I think that any generic Democrat, I believe has at least 191 electoral votes just because they have a pulse that comes out to more like 235 for the Republican and 222 for the Dem before we start getting into the leaner and battleground states. So I think that somebody that wanted to create vulnerable elections where they could easily be controlled would create a system exactly like that because even in the 2020 election, we're only talking about 42,918 votes or ballots that separated Biden from Trump in three states, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. So very easily you can control moving a train track the direction of how an election is going to go, opening up the voter registration to the corruption it has, and expanding mail-in voting has been a death mill for fair elections, and I'm really the only person out there that can quantify historical election stats with my own proprietary understanding of how many more ballots are possible based on laws that each state has.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:11:58):
Okay. Let's move back over to ballot harvesting. Very quickly there's a divide. So explain why ballot harvesting is a problem and why we should not have it, and then there's a divide when it comes to getting out the vote related to ballot harvesting. Some people will say that we should just go all in and do everything we could to engage in ballot harvesting and others say we should just abolish it completely. What do you think is the right answer there?
Seth Keshel (00:12:29):
Well, interestingly enough, there's some solid blue states that have very strict laws against ballot harvesting, and that's why there were the investigations in New Jersey and Connecticut to begin with. And then there's others like Washington and Oregon that are wide open in California to the corruption. California really debuted ballot harvesting back in 2012 timeframe, but there's two types of ballots that get harvested. You have real ballots from real voters that the vote itself is not from an illegal registration. It may not have been cast by somebody going in person, but it is now part of the pile because it got harvested up. And then there's the ballots that are collected and filled out. And this an obvious thing when you look at the canvasing statistics from states like Wisconsin. After 2020, the canvasing groups all throughout Wisconsin, the election integrity efforts found apartments in Dane County, which is Madison near the University of Wisconsin with more than 20 registered voters per unit.
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And that was not just a one-time thing, it was all over the place. You can look at things you'll Washington state, they've gotten so bad that even the King County News had to break news of a woman receiving 16 ballots in her mailbox. She since has sort of gone under where she's not available for comment. I've tried to get on the phone with her also to discuss it for my upcoming book. I don't think that that's something that they want out there. But ballot harvesting is a means of collecting low propensity ballots, whether they belong to real voters or not. And it is a fool's errand to believe that Republicans long-term are going to be able to compete with Democrats for that because Republican voters live primarily in the outskirts of cities, in suburban areas or in the rural areas. And when Democrats can hire a hundred college students in an urban area and give 'em a quota of 20 ballots a day and pay 'em $30 a ballot, it's very easy to pilot tens of thousands of additional ballots. Whereas Republican campaigners are going to be going around from ranch home to ranch home or from a state to a state in a rural area not collecting any ballots at all, especially when the main means of Republican voting is to either vote early or vote in person on election day.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:14:28):
Seth, you've built a county by county action strategy. What are the top three things you think citizens should do right now at the local level to improve election security?
Seth Keshel (00:14:40):
I think the most important thing that can be done is to obtain copies of voter roll files and do some local canvassing and then to, if you find fraudulent registrations, it's very simple. I mean people that are four out of four Republican voters that give voter roll files and they find that they've got people that are supposedly registered to vote at their own home address. So I think that figuring out your own precinct first, what kind of voter registration issues are on the rolls there, documenting them and making sure that people are on the same sheet of music going forward with that will highlight the issues with voter registration, especially in the 24 states that do automatic voter registration. I think that would snowball into something that potentially the DOJ could handle and have that struck down because the only way to reverse course in the blue wall, people think that we're going to keep flipping blue states. I mean there's a few that were vulnerable, but I cannot see states like New York, Washington State, Illinois becoming more competitive than they are now. As long as the current election consistent conditions persist, you won't be able to trend things. And even after Trump leaves the stage, there's going to have to be an adjustment period for Republican politics to see what that base does. So figuring out how to unravel the corruptions that are in the law is the most important thing to be done as long as President Trump is in office.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:15:56):
Okay, and then the last thing for you, Seth, give the audience a little bit of hope. You mentioned that you think that Iowa has a good voting system. What other seats or counties do you think are the best examples for how elections should be run today?
Seth Keshel (00:16:11):
So I've got a bit of a friendly war going on with Cleta Mitchell, who's an election integrity warrior. And one of the things I found in my research when Josh Sapiro put automatic voter registration in Pennsylvania by executive order in 2023, I looked through all the rest of the state's voter registration mechanisms. And the one state I found that has no voter registration whatsoever is North Dakota. Now, Kalita says that this isn't relevant because it's a small state with this all white population, but North Dakota has no voter registration. Voters show up at the precinct and they present an ID and they get a ballot and there are some mechanisms for an absentee ballot, but there's identity protection there. So I think that that speaks volumes to one side. You have automatic registration on this forester and you have none. So the answer lies somewhere between in controlling voter registration.
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Once that is fixed, then I think that everything else will fall into place. But Iowa cut down on early voting period, they still have same day registration. But the thing that proves to me that Wisconsin's same day registration is their open door for cheating is that Iowa had 17,000 new registrations between the final election registration stats and election day. So 17,000, same bay registrations, Wisconsin had 331,000 and of course that was a state Trump was up by several points at the end of election night. And after about 12 hours of counting, the Republican candidate for Senate lost his raise, Eric Coy. So I think that cutting down on these little loopholes is an extremely important thing.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:17:42):
Seth, this was really powerful insight. Thank you so much for joining today. And for the audience, you can find more from Seth at his substack and on his website, which is Captain k us. Seth, thanks so much for being with me today.
Seth Keshel (00:17:57):
Great. Thanks so much for having me on. Jenny Beth, keep up the good work.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:18:01):
Thank you. Election integrity and immigration are inseparable. Let's shift now from data strategy to understand the political battle ahead, and then we're going to finish the show out talking about immigration. So joining me now to talk about today's top news is strategist, author, and founder of the Western Journal, Floyd Brown. Floyd is so good to have you with me today.
Floyd Brown (00:18:25):
Well, it's great to be with you, Jenny Beth, and let me just congratulate you right now on your new show. This is awesome.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:18:32):
Thank you. Thanks so much. So breaking right now as we were live on the air, Axios is reporting that James Comey and Leticia James prosecutions have been dismissed. And the judge is saying that she concluded, I think it's a she Cameron, that she concluded all actions flowing from Ms. Hooligan's defective appointment including securing and signing Ms. Ms. James indictment constitute unlawful exercises of executive power and must be set aside and she drew the same conclusion for Comey's case. What do you think about that?
Floyd Brown (00:19:12):
Well, obviously this is a judge that is choosing to not allow this case to go forward on a technicality. And this is what happens so often. In fact, it happened many times in election integrity cases where judges don't want a case, they don't want to have to deal with the underlying issues. So what do they do? They grab, they grasp, they attempt to find some kind of a technicality in order to dismiss these cases. That's one of the biggest problems we have with justice in America is that over the last half century, the entire Justice Department and the judge's complex, which is supposed to be part of a separate branch of government, have really been captured. And so we see many times that laws aren't enforced. And that's the problem here. Now when it comes to a conservative or when it came to Donald Trump, the judges did the opposite. They bent over backwards to try and enforce very technical laws against him. So it is an example, clear as day of unequal justice. Jenny Beth,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:20:36):
I completely agree with you. It is unequal justice and it is so frustrating because what Comey did and the abuse of power that he engaged in must held accountable. And if he gets away with it, people in the future are going to think that they too can get away with abusing power and there will be no consequences for it. And the same thing happened when we were targeted by the IRS and Lois Lerner was never held to account. So I think this is not a good day for justice in America.
Floyd Brown (00:21:05):
Well, the problem stems from this locality called the District of Columbia, the District of Columbia, which is not representative of America, and where conservatives cannot find a justice, a jury of their peers, they have basically stacked the deck inside of the District of Columbia, which is overwhelmingly populated by people who work for government full-time, in particular the federal government full-time or in some cases the district government, which is essentially an appendage of the federal government. So you have this jurisdiction that just isn't fair. And so now I think it's a very sad day for justice and Americans that want justice and need accountability, they just haven't seen anyone held accountable for what was done to Donald Trump, what was done to conservatives, what was done to organizations like yours, the Tea Party, they haven't been held accountable. And you're right, this is a very sad day for America.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:22:26):
So shifting gears just a little bit, president Trump ended deportation protections for Somali nationals in Minnesota and the left absolutely exploded. Why do you think that they went so crazy over this announcement?
Floyd Brown (00:22:39):
Okay, well, the 1990s was really when all of this got started. Before the 1990s, there weren't Somalis in Minnesota. And today we have over a million Somali nationals, most of which don't speak English, living there in the Twin Cities area. And we started accepting refugees under these various UN programs. And I believe that Obama saw that Minnesota had been trending Republican like many of the other Midwestern states. They had Republican senators, you might remember back to Rudy Vitz. And so the state was trending Republican. And so with malice of foresight, the Obama administration placed these Somali refugees in Minnesota and it was a great place for them because Minnesota had had a history of really high benefits and welfare payments. And so it became a mecca while there were Somalis placed in North Carolina, there was some placed in Ohio, they always put them in Republican states.
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I find that so interesting. And so it then became kind of a magnet for Somalis because the first wave had a word travels fast when there's a lot of big welfare benefits. Then it was like a magnet and Somalis came from all over the country to the Twin Cities area, and they understood then they didn't have to learn the language. They had people there that would help them gain the system for high welfare benefits. And it is a Midwestern state, so rents were low in other things. But the problem fundamentally is us allowing people groups into America who don't share our fundamental values. Now, America's always been a land of immigrants and my family came as immigrants, but we came as immigrants from societies that accepted Western civilization and Western standards and the Somalis don't. The reason that their country is a failed state, and the reason Somali doesn't work after the British left is because they don't have the basic underlying belief in the rule of law. And in essence, what you have is a bunch of warring tribes. And so it is a failed state, but I believe it's wrong for America to accept citizens from these failed states that don't share the basic beliefs and the fundamental understanding in the rule of law that most western nations share. And so you basically have a criminal cartel that is moved to the twin states.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:25:56):
Wow, that's a pretty powerful statement there, Floyd. Do you think that what President Trump has done with ending the deportation protections for Somalis in Minnesota, does it weaken the left's political machine in Minneapolis?
Floyd Brown (00:26:12):
I don't know if it will over time. It depends upon really how it's functionally handled. I mean, really what happened was if one person could get from Somalia to America, they were able to use this daisy chain system of immigration to get 10, 15, sometimes 20 family members. We know about Ile Omar, who essentially married her brother to get here. It is a system since the Somalis don't believe in the rule of law. They'll do absolutely anything to get here. And frankly, I understand it. I mean, I'd want to leave Somalia myself, but the truth is that America needs to protect itself from groups that don't share our values.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:27:11):
I agree with that and I think that's part of why President Trump is doing what he is doing.
Floyd Brown (00:27:18):
Yeah, I hope they remove some, but frankly, there are so many illegals in America and I think the statistics on them are literally not accurate. I think there's more illegal immigrants in America than people realize. I know the area that I grew up in. I mean, I recently went back to visit some relatives there and I went to the local grocery store. And in the grocery store I heard spoken seven different languages. And so we are having a fracturing of America because the latest waves of immigrants aren't like the Irish and Italians and the Mexicans that came before them. These are people that don't want to learn the language and to be successful in America, for America to function as a country, you have to come here, want to be a part of it, learn the language, learn the culture, accept the culture, which is basically a Christian culture, and it's very difficult for the Islamic groups to do that.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:28:34):
So speaking of Minnesota, we also have this story from last week Investigations show that Minnesota's Medicaid fraud network help fund terrorist organizations like Al Shabab. How devastating is this finding?
Floyd Brown (00:28:50):
Well, I think it's absolutely devastating. When I said earlier that a criminal cartel had moved to the Twin Cities, I wasn't exaggerating. And so now they're running criminal operations. I heard one that literally was a restaurant that started participating in the school breakfast program, the early morning breakfast program, and they were claiming that tens of thousands of people were having breakfast there at this restaurant. And when observers went there to watch it, I think there was less than a hundred people came for breakfast, yet they were charging the federal government tens of thousands of dollars to serve these breakfasts. It was all fraud. There's Medicare, Medicaid fraud. There is fraud in these different welfare programs that's being used and manipulated. One of the things is is that in Islam, you can have up to four wives here. When they come to America, they have one usually registered wife, they'll have three unregistered wives.
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Those three wives will be unwed mothers and able to get many multiples more welfare. So the guy doesn't even have to work. He literally finds himself four wives starts collecting welfare, and the US and Minnesota in particular is so generous, they just feast off of the system and it's wrong. It's supposed to be a safety net for people are between jobs or been in a car wreck or had something happen in their lives that was hurtful or damaging. It was never meant to be. Welfare was never meant to be in America a lifestyle or a way of living or a way of gaming things. And that's what it's become.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:30:52):
Do you think that we should have congressional hearings on this topic?
Floyd Brown (00:30:56):
Oh, absolutely. We should have congressional hearings. And I think we ought to seriously look at stripping Ile Omar of her citizenship. Even though she's in Congress, we know it's a fraudulent citizenship. And so we have laws for a purpose and they're to be followed. If Congress wants to change the laws, then they can change the laws, but they don't change the laws. Instead they flaunt the laws and that means that nobody respects the law. And you get all of these miscarriages of justice just as you're getting. Comey knew he would never be held accountable for manipulating the FBI and manipulating the investigative process. Leticia James knew that she would never be held accountable for her mortgage fraud because she was in a protected class, a liberal democratic politician. And so people then come to disrespect the law. And one of America's deepest traditions is we hold everybody accountable, but that's not the case anymore. And so people like Barack Obama, Joe Biden with his auto pen members of Congress, they flaunt the law and they know they'll never be held accountable. And that leads to a deep cynicism that then hurts the entire fabric of the nation.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:32:30):
Trump fouled this week to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, something that previous administrations refused to do. How big is this?
Floyd Brown (00:32:38):
This is big because there are literally hundreds of thousands of members of the Muslim Brotherhood here in the United States, and as a foreign terrorist organization, they can be stripped of their citizenship, they can be stripped of their special status as US citizens and they can be deported. So I think that's a big step in the right direction. This is a cancer in America, and as with any cancer, the first step to treating a cancer is to cut it out and we've got to cut the Muslim Brotherhood out of America to save America.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:33:21):
I completely agree with you on that, Floyd. Our next guest is Rosemary Jinks, an immigration expert. You live in Arizona, a border state, and you've previously argued that Democrats use the immigration system to reshape the electorate. Is the public waking up to this fact?
Floyd Brown (00:33:39):
I think they're starting to wake up because they're of independent media like your show and the information is getting out because the mainstream media has been shown to be fake news and people want real news. So they're turning to other places and they're finding out these facts and they're finding out how things have been manipulated. Here in Arizona, it's not legal to vote if you are not a citizen yet. We have tens of thousands of non-Americans that are voting in our elections here in Arizona. And just as Seth Kessel was talking about, we have a lot of fraudulent voters that are on our voter rolls and because of efforts to make those voters vote through fraud, those of us that live in Arizona, we don't have a lot of faith in our electoral system. It's a shambles. We're doing what we can to try and fix it, but frankly, we have a political class that thinks they don't need to fix it as long as they can win their elections.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:34:55):
Okay. Very quickly on this one, if President Trump were watching right now, what one immigration action must he take immediately to secure the nation from your point of view?
Floyd Brown (00:35:06):
I think that we need to double down. I think he's doing a super, super job, a superb job of deporting people, but we need to double down and do it about twice as fast as we're currently doing it.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:35:20):
I love that idea. Alright, this is the last topic for you, Floyd, the Department of Government Efficiency, doge, which uncover billions of waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government, was quietly folded into other agencies by the Trump administration. What is the legacy of Doge?
Floyd Brown (00:35:39):
Well, it's like a lot of movements that come and they're big waves and when they hit the elites and the establishment in DC, just even though it's a big wave, it dissipates and goes back into the ocean. And I've seen that time and time again whether it was the Reagan revolution, which came as a wave or the Tea party that came as a wave or MAGA that came as a wave. The permanent political class and bureaucracy in DC just put their heads down and they keep moving on and they have such a corrupt system that they're able to keep funding what they want and to essentially stop reform. And I was really hopeful with Doge that we would get some real reform, and I think we did get some U-S-A-I-D has been limited, even though a lot of that money is still going out through the State Department. And we've seen big improvements in the accountability on some grants, but still there are literally hundreds of millions, billions of dollars that are being absolutely wasted every single month from Washington dc
Jenny Beth Martin (00:37:00):
I completely agree with you on that. And what we are hearing from Scott Kippor, he said that editing by Reuters really, they spiced his comments across a couple of different paragraphs and it made a very grabbing headline. But the truth is that Doge may not have the central leadership that we thought that it would, but the principles of Doge remain alive and well, deregulation, eliminating fraud, eliminating fraud, waste and abuse, reshaping the federal workforce, making efficiency a first class citizen, et cetera, doge catalyze these changes and these agencies along with the United States Office of Personnel and Management and the United States Office of Budget or Management and Budget will institutionalize them. And so I hope that he is right with that. Do you think that we will be able to see the continuing of identifying and fighting to get rid of the wasteful programs in dc?
Floyd Brown (00:38:02):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of Russ Vote and everything that he's done at OMB, he's a true champion and somebody that has done a lot for America. I always ask this question, if Visa, MasterCard and American Express can literally track billions of transactions that happen every day across every city in America using technology, why can't our government do the same with all of their programs and make them as close to perfect as Visa, MasterCard and American Express are? We know there's fraud in Visa. We know there's fraud in MasterCard, we know there's fraud in American Express, but using computers and ai, they snuff it out real quickly and they're held accountable and we need to do the same thing across every single platform of government benefits.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:39:05):
Yes, I think you are exactly right about that. And you know how many times have you been out using your debit card or your bank card and you get an alert on your phone and you get a text message or a phone call or your card gets declined and then right after it you get that phone call trying to verify that it's a legit purpose purchase and not fraudulent. It would be amazing if the government could have those kinds of systems worked in. So every time there's suspected fraud, somebody has to go in and actually physically approve it and be held accountable for that purchase.
Floyd Brown (00:39:39):
Amen for that. And if Visa MasterCard, which are just private companies can do it, the federal government can lease those powers from private government, private companies that know how to track fraud like that.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:39:55):
Excellent, excellent insight. Floyd Brown, thank you so much for joining the Jenny Be Show.
Floyd Brown (00:40:00):
Great to be with you and congratulations again.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:40:03):
Thank you. Now let's bring in someone who understands immigration policy at the deepest level. Rosemary Jinks, co-founder and policy director of the Immigration Accountability Project. Rosemary, the New York Times recently portrayed an illegal immigrant who stole someone's social security identity as a sympathetic Christian. What is your reaction to this New York Times article? And I will say I give them credit for at least identifying that there is a problem with identity theft from illegal immigrants, but it seemed like they were more sympathetic to the person who entered the country illegally and stole the identity of someone than the actual victim.
Rosemary Jenks (00:40:45):
Yeah, I think that's right, Jenny Beth, and thanks for having me on. It is not Christian behavior to cross the border illegally and illegally enter another country. It is not Christian behavior to steal someone's identity and use that to illegally obtain employment. It is not Christian to lie when you get caught having caused an accident about who you are. So the idea that this is a poor Christian victim is crazy. This person has caused a lot of harm in America, not just by stealing the specific identity of one individual and causing that individual a lot of harm, but also the harm to our economy, the harm to our school system, our healthcare system, and on and on and on, that we know illegal immigration has a terrible effect on. So illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. And guess what? The victims are not the illegal aliens. The victims are the Americans who either lose their jobs, lose their identities, lose their healthcare, everything becomes more expensive. So yeah, I mean good for, as you said, good for the New York Times for reporting on the story, but the way they've skewed it is off.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:42:05):
And speaking of other of crimes from illegal immigrants, and maybe some of these are here legally, we now know that Somali Medicaid fraud in Minnesota funneled money to Al Shabab. How does this kind of fraud go on at such scale undetected?
Rosemary Jenks (00:42:26):
Everyone at every level is at fault for this, but the main problem is Congress. We have a mass immigration problem in our country. We have had too much legal immigration to say nothing of the illegal immigration over the last 50 years. So we have allowed, Congress has set an immigration policy that allows these ethnic enclaves to develop. Most of these people are coming from countries where the government doesn't give handouts. If you can't survive, you just die. So they come to the United States, the government is offering handouts, and they take the handouts and then they realize that they can game the system and get even more handouts. And it's not really hurting anyone because it's just the government that they're scamming. Well, that means that they're scamming every single American taxpayer and making all of our lives more expensive. But that's not part of their calculation.
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They don't care about that. So first of all, Congress needs to rethink our entire immigration system and set the numbers at a level that allows for assimilation. Second, no non-citizen. No non-citizen should be eligible for welfare benefits of any kind. We have had a public charge law in our laws since the late 18 hundreds and we need to enforce that. And basically that says that if you're likely to become a public charge, you are not admissible to the United States. And if you do become a public charge, you're deportable from the United States. So no non-citizen should get any welfare benefits. There are going to be exceptions for emergency medical care, but those people should then be deported. If they can't support themselves, they should not be here. So there are several things. The state of Minnesota is at fault for this as well. They should have spotted this fraud. And as you and your last guests were talking about with the computer systems and AI and so that we have today, there is zero excuse for not seeing these patterns of fraud in the system.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:44:38):
You're exactly right about that. Rosemary, you testified in Congress last week about E-Verify. What is the biggest lie told by opponents of E-Verify?
Rosemary Jenks (00:44:49):
I think the biggest lie is that E-Verify is a burden to employers. And actually the exact opposite is true because under current law since 1986, it's illegal for an employer to hire an illegal alien and employers have to fill out a form called the I nine form, and they have to ask the new employee for documents that verify identity and work authorization. And then the employer has to decide whether those documents are legitimate or not, whether they're valid. And based on that decision, the employer, if they turn out not to be valid, the employer can be held criminally liable for hiring an illegal alien. Or if the employer has suspicions and asks for additional documentation, the employer can be sued by the employee for civil rights discrimination. So the employer's in a bind there assuming that the employer wants to obey the law and not hire illegal aliens with E-Verify, the employer just takes documents that appear reasonably valid on their face and enters the document information into the E-Verify system. And in 97.8% of cases, I think it was for last year, gets an almost instant verification that the documents allow this person to work in the United States. It is a free system for employers. It is easy to use, it is reliable, and if the employer used it for a particular employee, the employer cannot be held criminally liable because he relied on the information provided by E-Verify. So while if that employee turns out to be illegal, he's still going to be deported hopefully, but the employer will not be held criminally liable.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:46:37):
And are there seats that actually mandate using it already?
Rosemary Jenks (00:46:42):
There are several states that mandate using it, including Arizona and Alabama and several others. There are also states that mandate it for some employers but not others. Florida's mandates it for employers with more than 25 employees. And the studies that have been done on some of those states, particularly Arizona, show that the illegal population in that state actually significantly declined once E-Verify was mandated. And I'll tell you, those mandates have not been thoroughly enforced. So that is just because of the perception that illegal aliens have that they will not be able to get a job in Arizona. So they have left the state. It's unclear, of course, whether they just move to a different state that doesn't mandate E-Verify or whether they left the country, but it certainly has helped Arizona. And if Arizona enforced the law better, it would help even more.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:47:40):
How much illegal labor would mandatory E-Verify? Eliminate?
Rosemary Jenks (00:47:45):
It would eliminate a lot of it. There will be some movement from the regular labor force into a black market labor force. But the thing is most employers in the United States I think want to obey the law. Most of them pay their taxes, they do the things they're supposed to, they abide by regulations and so on. If that is the case, then mandatory E-Verify nationwide would eliminate most illegal employment. And illegal employment would be limited to certain industries where employers are less caring about following the law, and that would mean that they're easier for the government to target. So ICE could focus its enforcement efforts on those kinds of work sites.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:48:35):
Okay. Shifting gears just a little bit, but let me just say this before we shift gears. Is there anything else you want to talk about from your testimony last week?
Rosemary Jenks (00:48:44):
I would just say that there are 10 states that don't share driver's license information with U-S-C-I-S, which is the agency that runs E Verify. If they switch and start sharing, then it would be a much better system, a much more thorough system. And of course, the states that don't share are the ones you would expect, California, New York, Illinois, and so on. So yeah, that would be a good thing and Congress could actually mandate that they do share.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:49:10):
We should make sure that that happens. And I'd love to figure out how T Pretty Pet's Action could work with your group on a call to action for that. Okay. Now shifting gears. Congressman Chip Roy has introduced legislation to freeze all immigration until the system is secure. His act is called the Pause Act everyday. Americans love it. The political class heats it. Explain the link. How does immigration, how would this work and why would it be important?
Rosemary Jenks (00:49:39):
So this is a really fantastic bill. It is an across the board moratorium on all visas except for tourist visas. So we could still have tourists coming in and spending their money here, and it imposes that moratorium. And until several conditions are met, including that birthright citizenship is limited to the children of citizens and lawful permanent residents that the temporary visa holders have to actually leave when their visas expires, expire, which they do not. Now, it requires the end of chain migration, which is the extended family members coming to the United States just because one family member originally immigrated here, then the entire extended family can come. The bill separately ends the visa lottery program, which is an absurd program that literally has a random drawing to hand out 55,000 visas a year. And it does a variety of other things. But the main thing that this bill would do is start a conversation because Americans have never been asked, what immigration policy do you want?
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What immigration policy would serve your interests? Immigration policy has always been set by Congress based on special interests and the elites, the people who want cheap labor, the people who want nannies and housekeepers and so on, and big business that wants high skilled labor or supposedly high skilled labor. It has never been put to the American people. And we need to have a national conversation about this because in my view, the numbers are too high. The system is skewed toward poor people. So we're essentially importing poverty and we're harming American workers at every level of the economy, whether it's H one Bs, harming high skilled Americans, or whether it's this extended family, immigration harming lower skilled Americans. We need to have this conversation. And the best way to do that would be to have a moratorium so that we have time to have the conversation and get our own house in order.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:52:03):
It's pretty remarkable that we have a bill like this that has been introduced, and I'm sure it's not going to pass right now, but hopefully it gets a debate going and the conversations going so we can have those questions about what you just were saying, what is it that Americans actually want when it comes to immigration policy?
Rosemary Jenks (00:52:23):
Yeah.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:52:24):
Okay. Now next topic. You are on the Save Act bus tour with T Pretty Patriots action. And with me, why is the Save Act absolutely essential to national security and to election security
Rosemary Jenks (00:52:37):
If we don't know who's voting in our elections, if we are letting foreigners come into this country? And by the way, legal immigration right now for the last 20 years has been at over 1.1 million per year. So 1.1 million legal permanent residents coming in every year, plus another million or so temporary workers coming in every year, plus millions and millions of illegal aliens coming in, at least under the last administration. So we have well over 35 million non-citizens in the United States if that many non-citizens can vote in our elections, they can change the course of our nation so they can vote for things that are good for America. So it is absolutely in our national security interest, our economic interest, our cultural interest to make sure that only US citizens are able to vote in our elections. And that's what the Save Act is all about. We need to know that every American has a vote and only Americans have a vote because every non-citizen who votes in our elections is canceling the vote of an American, and that is not right for so many reasons.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:53:58):
So Rosemary wood forces are blocking the save act right now. And what do you think citizens must do to force Congress to act on it?
Rosemary Jenks (00:54:08):
In one word, Democrats are blocking the save act from passing in the Senate. I mean, what we need to do is have leader Thune put the bill on the floor on the Senate floor for a vote. Because right now, the Senate Democrats are not having to talk about the fact that they oppose restricting voting to US citizens. We need to have the vote pass or fail, and then we know they have to go on the record for the vote. We know which senators don't think it's appropriate to limit voting in US elections to US citizens. So let's have the vote and then we know who to focus our pressure on, and it's going to be the vast majority of Democrats in the Senate and their constituents need to be having serious conversations with them.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:54:58):
And if Congress fails to pass the save act, what happens next? What does America actually look like?
Rosemary Jenks (00:55:08):
Well, I'll tell you Jenny Beth, I actually have some hope here because under the Trump administration, the U-S-C-I-S in the Department of Homeland Security has a program called the Save System. Interestingly enough, it's completely separate from the SAVE Act, but they are using the SAVE system to allow states to run their voter rolls to find the non-citizens on those voter rolls. And red states, as you might imagine, are engaging in that process and using the system, and they're identifying non-citizens who have registered to vote and many who have voted, and those non-citizens by just the fact of registering to vote, have committed a felony and they are now ineligible for any future immigration benefits and they're deportable. And so that is going to make a big difference. Now, obviously the blue states are not taking advantage of this, however, the Justice Department has been suing blue states to get their voter rolls. My hope is that all of those voter rolls also will be run through the save system so that all of the non-citizens can be pulled out of it. So that gives me hope least under this administration. Now, of course, everything this president does can be reversed by a future administration. So until we can get Congress to actually do its job and act, we're still very much vulnerable.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:56:38):
And then what should states implement immediately to protect their economies and citizens from the consequences of so much illegal immigration from the previous administration?
Rosemary Jenks (00:56:51):
There are a lot of things that states can and should be doing, and some of them are doing. Every state should require all of its localities to have 2 87 G agreements with ICE so that the state and local police are cooperating with ice rather than having ice out in the community doing raids and so on. They could be picking up illegal aliens from jails, and it's a much safer process. We need state cooperation there. We also need states to do a better job of policing who is getting welfare benefits, federally funded and state funded welfare benefits. A lot of states allow illegal aliens to get benefits, even though a lot of them deny it. The states should be denying every kind of incentive to illegal aliens. They shouldn't be issuing illegal aliens, driver's licenses. They shouldn't be giving them in-state tuition at state universities. All of those things make a difference. The more inhospitable a state makes itself, the less illegal immigration it's going to have. So we need to really start clamping down there and assist the federal government so that people will self deport instead of having ice have to deport through a long process, every single illegal alien in this country, it's not going to get done unless we can convince them to self deport.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:58:18):
Rosemary, this was the last question for you. What can Patriots around the country do to help you continue to work to secure our border permanently?
Rosemary Jenks (00:58:26):
Well, thank you for that question, Jenny Beth, and right after they go to Tea Party Patriots website and contribute there, I hope they will come to our website@iapaction.com where we have a brand new congressional immigration ranking system that ranks every single member of Congress on their immigration record. So every vote, every bill that they have introduced, our co-sponsored, it's all there and it ranks the members against each other so you can see who's doing actual work and who's not, and hope that your congressperson is up at the top of those rankings. But yeah, so IAP action.com,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:59:07):
Thank you for that, Rosemary, and I encourage everyone to go to her site and to donate to her. She does amazing work. She's the best when it comes to understanding the border and immigration, and I always learn so much from you. Rosemary, thanks for joining me today.
Rosemary Jenks (00:59:22):
Thank you, Jenny Beth.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:59:24):
Today's show made one fact, undeniable America is an coordinated battle for sovereignty, election integrity, immigration and accountability are all linked. Our call to action continues to be the impeachment of Judge James Boberg for his approval of illegal FISA warrants protecting corrupt FBI officials, and his decision to enable the Biden administration to target President Trump and other conservatives through the Justice Department. Please visit impeach boberg.com to contact your member of the United States House of Representatives and Demand. They initiate impeachment proceedings against us District Court Chief Judge James Boberg. So make sure that you get that done. Election Integrity, border of Security, the Save Act accountability. These are not separate battles. They're all one battle for the Constitution itself. And we will continue to stand and fight for the Constitution. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. This is a Jenny Beth Show brought to you by Tea Party Patriots. Action. Stay engaged, stay vigilant, and stay in the fight for freedom, and we will see you next time. If you enjoy today's conversation, go ahead and hit like and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about freedom and the Constitution. You can find this and other episodes@jennybestshow.com as well as Facebook Rumble, YouTube, Instagram X in your favorite podcast platform.
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