In this powerful episode, Jenny Beth Martin is joined by Janice Trey, Chairman of the Board of the Epoch Times, to share her remarkable journey from surviving child labor camps in communist China to leading one of America’s most courageous independent media outlets. Janice exposes the Chinese Communist Party’s brutal human rights abuses, forced organ harvesting, censorship, and global propaganda efforts. She explains how the CCP maintains control through suppression of faith, destruction of private property rights, and manipulation of information—and why Americans must remain vigilant as similar ideas take root in the West. This conversation shines a light on freedom, truth, and the urgent need to resist communist influence at home and abroad.
In today’s episode, Jenny Beth Martin sits down with Janice Trey, Chairman of the Board of the Epoch Times, for one of the most compelling conversations we’ve ever featured. Janice recounts her childhood in the labor camps of communist China, where her family was targeted during the Cultural Revolution, and explains how those early experiences shaped her lifelong fight for freedom, faith, and truth.
Janice exposes the Chinese Communist Party’s human rights atrocities, including forced labor, religious persecution, and the shocking practice of forced organ harvesting. She also explains how the CCP censors information inside China, exports propaganda abroad, manipulates global media, and uses legal warfare, cyberattacks, and intimidation to silence dissent.
The discussion then shifts to the economic failures of communism, the erosion of property rights, and how similar ideas are now emerging in parts of the United States. Janice explains why Americans must remain vigilant, understand the CCP’s long-term strategy, and defend the principles that make freedom possible.
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If you care about freedom, the Constitution, and exposing the truth about the CCP, this episode is essential listening.
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Guest: Janice Trey, Chairman of the Board, Epoch Times
Host: Jenny Beth Martin, Honorary Chairman, Tea Party Patriots Action @jennybethm
Narrator (00:00:14):
Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show
Jenny Beth Martin (00:00:18):
From the labor camps of communist China to the heart of the Free Press in America, this is a story of one woman's journey from persecution to purpose. Janice Trey, the chairman of the Board of the Epoch Times, survived child labor under China's regime and now leads one of the most courageous media outlets in the world, giving voice to the voiceless and exposing the truth. The Chinese Communist Party once hidden Today we're talking freedom, truth and courage, and the fight to ensure American dominance over China. I'm Jenny Beth Martin and this is the Jenny Best show. Janice, thank you so much for joining me today.
Janice Trey (00:00:57):
Thank you for having me. Journey path.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:00:59):
Janice, you had a incredible story in your childhood that I don't think many people know about. Let's start there and then we'll talk about what you have done to champion free press and to expose China in your adulthood. So what was China like for you as a child?
Janice Trey (00:01:22):
I was born during the cultural revolutions. That's between 1966 to 76 purely because my parents were college graduate engineers, so they were sent to labor camp in the southern China, very remote. It took two days to get to the city levels and I was the fourth child laborer at the first grade, second grade, third grade. I carry fertilizers to the top of the mountains that grow sugarcane that financed the school. And during harvest seasons, because they use hand tools to harvest the crops every day we must walk through the crop field, pick up any crops, drop on the fields if we could not fill up an entire plastic bag of crops pick up. We were not allowed to return to school the next day. So that was my childhood. And the school was located one and a half hour by walking, walking through craw field, walking through cemetery, climb a hill.
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The school was on the other side, no bicycle, couldn't climb the hills. I was walking and my neighbor was a very boy that liked to throw stone to the bushes and the snake will came out and I ran for life and that was my childhood during cultural revolution. And I like to share one tidbit once I receive a paper slip that fell from the balloon from Taiwan and in the paper slip I couldn't all the words. So I asked my parents because I was too young and they talk about we don't ride bicycles, we have cars, we have refrigerators, we have televisions. And I said, what's refrigerator? We didn't have refrigerator television. There was only one television set for the UN labor camp. And there were only two times in my childhood that we watched the television was Joe and Lai and Marc Don's funeral. Everybody must wear something black and I didn't have a black dress or anything. So we took a piece of black cloth and then wrap around on the shoulder and you must wear something black. And everybody stood in front of televisions, everybody in the neighbor camps. So my association of televisions in my childhood was funeral.
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Yeah.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:03:52):
Wow. I don't think that most people in America can even begin to relate to that. How did your family end up in the labor camps and explain how the counter revolution and the cultural revolution in China happened?
Janice Trey (00:04:10):
So if you look at the eight decades of the communist in China, first they promised the farmers redistributed land. They never did but confiscate the land from the land loss. And then they took away properties from landlords and from manufacturers. My grandfather was a successful banker, his bank was robbed and he had to escape to Hong Kong and start all over as a God, live on a factory 24 by seven, restart his business. And this happened to everybody, even no escape. You and I are educated, anybody educated during that periods have no escape. And what happened was, if you look at this decades of a Chinese rule, first they targeted the landlords and then during the cultural revolution, anybody educated because communist was very afraid of people speaking up because for 5,000 year civilization there were no communism. So they want to silence the educator like my parents.
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And they sent them to very remote areas so they have no ways to rebel. And then 1989, the Hamman Square masochists, we all remember students stood in front of the tank, they have no weapons. It was the same time when Berlin war came down, when Eastern Europe changed to non-com states and China was presented the same opportunity, but the leadership took at different terms and pushed the students. And then in 1999, the persecution on Lan Gong, which is based on truthfulness, compassion, forbearance, those are universal values that's appreciated by everybody in the world. They have the brutal persecution because they saw the opportunity to take the organs. They don't drink, they don't smoke, so they have healthier organs than the average Chinese. And so by label them as illegal and that they can come to their home, come to the school, come to the workplace, take them if there's a match, blood type tissue types with the foreigners who pay lots of money, they will be killed.
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So that's just the history of China and that's why they have the internet censorship because they try to silence. So people don't know what's really going on in the world. So let me give you two examples. In the search engine inside China, if you search Johnson who is the former dictator who is the head of the military, head of states, half of communist parties, you find civil search because they have not figured ways to only produce good news about him. If you search Dalai Lama, you actually be redirected to a anti-D lama. Sites the same if you search from a go, it would have all the fictitious things that they did a force fire called force fire. So they show a self emulation and then actually TV expert in Los Angeles did the slow motion playback and saw that that was a film and the person was not killed to death because by the way, how a person fell from burning was very different than someone was hit by a hot subjects.
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And you could see it in a slow motion of so because the communist party have not found anything wrong with, so they have to create films to demonize fong practitioners. And so to justify that they can take the organs. So this is what happens. And unfortunately many people in the west thought that, oh, if we invest in China, we bring economic freedoms, they will change. Democracy will come lot. Actually it worsened because all the foreign investments is kind of a blood infusions to the Chinese Communist party that extended this life. And so that really triggered me. My parents as engineers in particular, my father never have a chance to learn Christianity, but he knew as an engineer that Einstein believes in God. So he sent me to a Christian school in Hong Kong since my grandfather was in Hong Kong. And that was the first taste of freedom. And I finally saw cartoon on tv. That was what cartoon was for not standing in black in front of fins. And I first time had my birthday cake at 10 years old in Hong Kong and first time saw a washer dryer and have stove and have more gadgets in the kitchens back in China, we have very primitive life that no bathroom in the house, no shower, no hot water. And that was the labor camp situations.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:09:26):
It is breathtaking to hear these experiences being so much older, watching your first cartoon, seeing a washer and dry hair for the first time 10 years old for your first birthday cake. So your grandfather was a banker, your father was an engineer, property was being confiscated by the Chinese Communist party, so they did not allow for private property rights. And then I want to talk about that, but let me ask you one more thing. The part that you were talking about with the religion and the crackdown on religion, is that the religion that you and your family followed and did your faith help sustain you in the midst of all of this?
Janice Trey (00:10:17):
Yeah, so I had bible study in the Christian school and I was very grateful. We sang hymns and we been a, Jesus took the cross to relieve the sins and that was something very, very touching to me. And one thing I felt like I couldn't quite act was like turn the cheek. I still struggle like how am I going to forgive? How would Jesus forgave disciple Peter who betrayed him? So I feel like, so in my continued search, and so in my journey of search I tried different things in college in US and when I encountered found DA far I was stunned because it answer all the questions in life that I've been searching. If you're a Christian, you become a better Christian. If you're a Buddhist, you become better Buddhist because the textbook John following gave the night lectures very systematically answer any questions in the universe and it's about how to behave better and how to act in your thoughts and your actions and everything to do better, not just for yourself.
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But so for me that was the true compassion forbearance. It was very similar just like in ality you talk about love in Buddhism, you talk about compassion, it's the same thing. It's the greater love, it's about how you can add on it. And so I am very fortunate that I encountered and also the exercises bring amazing health benefits. So people wonder why did Ong practitioner not giving up with the brutal persecutions? Because many people have found their second life, they were people who were on the verge of dying and have all sorts of terminal disease and they regained their life. And I have two female friends who have infertility problems and after they practice they have children and one of the kids become a beauty patient. So it was amazing stories. And why is so effective? A simple five sets of gentle tai chi type of exercise because they open up all the energy channels in the body, think of a heart attack because of the blockage in the blood vessel.
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We have a lots of energy channels within the body and by open up at the energy channels and also raise your energy levels. So raise your immune systems. And also the constant improvement is really a recipe for self-improvement of body, mind and spirits. And I found it very useful and in fact I have opportunity to share with others. I give you example one newcomer who want to learn the exercise and I did not know that he had car injury that he could not sit. And so after try the exercise magically he was able to sit and he was in tears. So there were four major health surveys, each of those more than 10,000 survey participants and the health improvement rate was north of 96%. And that's why people will not give up on Fallon going despite the persecutions because they have found something very precious.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:13:54):
Wow, that is really amazing. And then I'm going to want to talk about the economic aspect, but let's unpack something else you said. First you said China then was harvesting organs from these people. Explain that because I think that this is going to be some of the first time that people have heard that this is even happening.
Janice Trey (00:14:20):
So that is in 2006, spring of 2006, the first two weakness came forward and that was in Washington DC at the Fergus Square. There was a press conference, the nurse pseudo name Annie and her ex-husband was a eye surgeon and both work at the Jein hospital in northeast China. What he found was her husband all of a sudden have tons and tons of money, keep asking her fine ways to get out of China but always have nightmare, could not sleep. Woke up in nightmare and one time he confessed because when he's a heart head surgeon, he confessed that he did over removal of over 2000 corns, like 2000 people. And it's not only the kidney removal from the eyes, but it was a assembly line. The body was taken out of the body, parts was taken and her best friend was accountants in the same hospitals and also told her all of a sudden the procurement of the drugs was so much increased many times full increase in the past with pharmaceutical drug steps related to transplants because once you have transplant, it's a lifelong reliance on medications.
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And she knew for a fact that there were still thousands of found practitioners in the basements, underground facilities in the Sujata hospitals. And so she's a Christian. So she spoke up because she felt like those thousands of them that waiting to be slaughtered based on matching of blood type tissue type, she want them to be alive. And she felt like what her ex-husband did by repenting, by bringing the up that could reduce his scene. So once they were out, when they were in China, even though he wanted to stop, he was very afraid of his safety. So that was the first experience. Then that was spring of 2006 and then in the summer of 2006 my husband and I went to the World Transplant Congress in the Boston Convention Center. And that's the first time my husband is a physician by training. So we went to the world transplant Congress.
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So I met many physicians from China and in the opening receptions I ran into Dr. Lio of the Ting Oriental Transplant Center. I asked Dr. Liu, what's your specialty liver? I said, how many livers you personally handled each years? And the number was unbelievable. And then I start asking other transplant surgeons from Canada from all the different countries who's unbelievable since I have a friend who works at the Massachusetts General Hospitals and the transplant expert from China visited the mass journals and the mass journal transplant expert was stunned with how many those young doctors have done more transplant than their entire career. And so the question is that where is the organ socks? So the next day after the opening reception, I saw all the Chinese left. There was one, only a few left. I happened to sit next to one at the time I work in a medical device company and he was very interested in getting the scans for the medical equipment because he told me he had two job offers to return to China to set up two transplant centers. At the time he was a researcher at Hamburg University in Germany. I said, why will you want to return to China? You could have a second child. Germany paid for pretty well, you have the freedoms. And he quoted the price tax. It was unbelievable.
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And then I asked, I say, people believe in reincarnation in Asia, not just China. People don't want missing parts in the next life. People won't donate and people won't trust the communist governments that they truly wait until your brain deaf and so on and so forth. People won't trust that. So he told me to get outside the main entrance of the Boston Convention Center. You'll find your answer. And I did when I went outside, there were protests and then there were screenshots of different transplant centers across the countries with multiple languages. They were price taxed $150,000 for hearts, $60,000 for a kidney, US dollars we're talking about. And then there's price tag for pancreas, cornea, everything. When you look up the whole body, it's like a million US stop and then we're still, they promise six to eight weeks. You promise a blood type tissue type match.
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So I asked my husband like what's the probability of matching? You need huge blood type is easy to match but the tissue type. So we continued to research and we met David Gel and David met for the first times and they have a side events at the World Transplant Congress in summer 2006. And David gel at the time was deputy speaker of House of Common in Canada and also formally two time serving as head of states for Latin Americas and Asia. And David Mater is a Jewish human rights lawyers. And so they team up and they did research at the time, they just started the research because they found that this cannot be true. And they did the research and later on they published the reports. That was the first publish reports they had people interview calling different transplant centers all across China and said, my cousin need their kidney, my brother need their pancreas.
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And we heard that Ang go people, they are young, they are healthy and their organs are very fresh. And all the recordings were reviewed by Canadian government translator and each of those phone calls, they were subsequent phone calls made to verify indeed that person worked there. There's their title and so on and so forth. And when the report was published, guess what the Chinese embassy said? They said there were too mismatch of the city name and the province name. Just think of a city and state mismatched, that was all they can say. That means everything else in the report was rigged. And so I spent a lots of time traveling with David Kgo and David Mathis across, they went to 53 country. I went with them to multiple countries and to expose this atrocity and my husband is the founder and executive director of Doctors against force organ harvesting.
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He felt like the doctors need to band together and speaking up. And so he have work on many resolutions in US and also in Europe and then work with different legislations and trying to expose the crimes and also trying to have legislations that will help minimize this type of organ tourism. And we met Dr. Jack Levi in Israel and he's a well-known heart surgeon. In fact, he had one of his patients told Dr. Levi, I'm going to China in two weeks on this day and this time I will have my heart transplant. Dr. Levi said impossible to know two weeks in event with scheduled day and time to have someone who match your blood type and tissue type will die at that moment that it's not possible. But his patient indeed had the schedule heart transplant. So Dr. Levi spent a lots of time to make sure the insurance, the brokers are not brokering those.
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And also what he really pushed legislation in Israel is that any transplant tourism outside Israel must meet the transplant standard of Israel. He was very concerned if people are being killed on demand for the organs, they will just give you an unmatched organ, take the money and don't care if you live or not. And so right now, anybody in the audience, you have a chance to help stop this because there is a senate bill, a seventeens initiated by Senator Tech Cruz and have many co-sponsors and urge your senators to correspond the bill, vote for the bill and it's already unanimously passed in the house. And if we get the senates passed, we believe President Trump will sign to law and that will have tea to it and that could stop people from being killed on demand for the organs.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:24:44):
Janice, let me ask you a question about this organ harvesting that perhaps you can answer in America. If somebody has to go through the organ transplant process and they're very sick, then they go through a committee of doctors within their own hospital and then they go through another committee outside of their hospital to make sure that they qualify for a transplant. So they want to make sure that if this sacrifice and donation that somebody is making as their last act of sacrificial act and donation on earth is making that the possibility of it working is extremely high and they have certain standards and you have to wait in line and you have to be, if yours is still working, you don't get a transplant, you have to wait until you fall below certain levels and you're basically about to die before you get one in China. I understand what you were just explaining about people who can go to purchase it, which is wrong and abhorrent, but what about Chinese citizens? Do they get the same kind of treatment if they need an organ donation that Americans get here or is the organ donation process in China largely a medical tourism process?
Janice Trey (00:26:14):
Both. So they were government officials that receive and they were wealthy individuals in China. In fact, Dr. David k David Mathis had interview a kidney recipient who have eight sets of kidneys put on him when it didn't work and there's full set of kidney, both kidney, so that person could not survive. And so they were transplant expert outside China who will come to visit China and they were asked when do you want to see the transplant? What type of transplant you want to see? So again, they were doing the scheduling and then they would have multiple organs standby to make sure it works. So you can see and they destroyed evidence why Annie was so adamant to speaking up. They knew the prom shops near the hospital, the people get very rich because they cremated the people. So if you die normally your belongings your family, but they don't want people to know they kill them, they're trying to destroy evidence.
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However, there's a way to trace, there's DNA, so if they're siblings or family members so it can trace, I mean the organs that get transplanted, you can find the DNA too. So they cannot get away. All it takes is to speak up because every life on earth is so precious it should not be killed on demands just because of match. And in fact there were many who die shortly after transplant because in a country that they focus on money makings, they won't care if the organ matches a perfect ones. And so there was one that the wife was very sad from Taiwan, the husband went and then died shortly and had there's a kidney transplant, if he continued with dialysis in Taiwan, he probably would survive longer. So the wife came forward to expose because she felt bad that she did not stop her husband going and did not know at the time, but she didn't want other victims happening like her husband.
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So the scale, the same periods from 1999 to now, there's no major breakthrough in transplant that have a skyrocket in the number of transplants. You don't see it anywhere else. Only in China. And I went to multiple transplant Congress, that was the first one in summer 2006 I went to at least half a dozen in different places. And there were doctors who brag about transplant center A is more advanced than transplant center B and the TNG Oriental Transplant Center, the whole buildings was doing transplant and transplant only. It's not possible you don't find that in US or in Europe because you cannot have that many constant supply of organs. So it is a business that they make enormous amounts of money and there are US transplant doctors who train the Chinese transplants. And then there's also, it's not only in China, they are doing it in Caribbeans in Middle East. And I have met at people from the flight attendants associations and they said they knew they were human trafficking, some for sex and some for organs and they knew that they were not willing, they were being control and moved through. So it happened but we can stop it. Just say support Senate bill S
Jenny Beth Martin (00:30:47):
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Janice Trey (00:30:48):
Yes. Yeah, it's not too late. I mean evil, afraid of voice and just think of each of us can play the role of a small candle, lead up the whole rooms, think of the shandler list. We could be doing that to stop people from being killed. Just call your senators.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:31:14):
Okay. So that is a good call to action that we'll make sure that we also take up with Tea Party Patriots. Action. Alright. It was a very dark topic and it isn't exactly what I expected we would be discussing, but I think it is important to expose these things and shine light on it so that people are aware that this is happening. No one wants to think about it because it is absolutely, it is a nightmare scenario and none of us want to imagine that we would be in that situation and we don't want to think that other people are. So it's difficult to hear that. Let's shift topics to some of the economic things that China does and that communism does and doesn't do. When you were explaining what was happening to you when you were younger and throughout the revolution in China, you said that they were promised redistribution of property but that never happened. They took the property and then people never got what they were were promised. When you see people in the news lately like Manami in New York who is the future mayor of New York saying things kind of along those lines like we're going to get rid of private property and we're going to be able to control the rent to make everything affordable. And he's clearly a Marxist. What do you think about that and how do you see similarities and parallels to what China experience, what you experienced in your own childhood?
Janice Trey (00:33:00):
Yeah. I welcome capitalism, I welcome meritocracy. So communism has proven it has never been successful. If you look around the world, if you compare the GDP per individuals in Taiwan versus mainland China or Hong Kong, what's the difference? They are all Chinese, they're all hard workings. They have the same intellect but there is difference. It's the government structure that's different. If you compare North Korea and South Korea, they're Koreans, they're like brothers and sisters and cousins. They're the same. But you see dramatically difference. And fundamentally economically communism is not like creating, it's increasing productivity. When you treat everybody the same, you have lower productivities in a meritocracy that is high productivity because you can reward the people who do better. So if you look at the New York City situations, not only think about how many people will move to Florida and move to Texas and move to other red states, but more importantly, who are the investors who will now jump into New York, say I'm going to do more business. I mean it will be what was promised is attracting more illegals, attracting more criminals, attracting when you want to defund the police, the criminals will like to go there.
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It is very, very sad, very, very sad. I am more concerned that the situation in New York City could be even worse than the COVID times because people are fleeing and I have friends and I have colleagues and I have just families who are very concerned about the safety. Most importantly communism is antichrist and if we believe we are created by God. And if you look at commerce states like in China, in Cuba, in North Korea and all the places, people don't have a chance to choose the faith. That's why there are underground churches in China, but even underground churches was being attacked. So there are persecuted Christians, the persecuted fang gun followers, they're persecuted Tibetan S people should have the fundamental race to choose the faith. And when you come to economic situations, China is not truly practice.
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The wealth will stay in a small percentage of people. The Princelings, the wealthy is even more wealthier. If you look at the list Forbes list of the wealthy people, there are lots from China, but there's a few hands that the majority of the people live well below US. Poverty lines. What we should learn the lessons is in communist states, they have lots of empty promises they never deliver. It's been proven again and against in China. And so even the US government engage with the communist government in China's have to be mindful. They may sign all the treaties. It's a matter of do they live up to it, do they deliver? I mean even in the first term administrations when they say they will buy so and buy lots, did they really live up to it? In this administrations, yes, after the recent meeting they take some gestures to buy, but how sure that they will live up to what signs and what are the games that they have.
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So the fundamentally is like good and evil and you want the meritocracy. Capitalism is they win and lose based on meritocracy, based on productivity and that is a good cycle. You don't want to get into the vicious cycles and whether it's a communist or socialist in some form it's like a communist. And I think we also need to be mindful who's behind that, who pay for it. Sounds good to have free verses, but who pays for it? And so I think right after elections they was ask for money immediately in acceptance speech. So I will be very cautious and I believe in hardworking, earn your wages or have your business and move goods and making a positive impact and using our talents given by God and glorify God. And also not only look after oneself but look after for the childrens and the next generations what we want to leave behind for the next generation.
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When I was in Hong Kong, I compare the textbooks of mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan for the same historic periods. I found a totally different stories. I couldn't believe it. And so that's how my first taste of information freedoms. And I was involved in internet freedoms back in 2013 and we saw that as the problem of censorships in China and people should be given the same information and let them make an informed decisions. And why do they try to censor what are they hiding from us? And even in Americas, I'm sure your shows and people in the tea party also have subject to all sorts of censorships at some points. So it's very real. So we need to speak up because information could save lives, timely information could save lives. And I'll give you an example in Och times with COVID, we started reporting back in December, 2019.
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So a couple months ahead of time and we receive audience feedback and readers feedback. They were so grateful because they were traveling in China and they read through VPNs that continued to receive a news and they saw the description via pandemic, they changed the return flights, their colleagues and their relatives on the same schedule return flight that they didn't change. They never make it back because they die of COVID in China. So timely information and epoch times back in the early two thousands with the for disease epoch Times was the first one to book the news three weeks before Beijing emitted and Wall Street journals am that we were IPO Thomas was the first and we were ahead of was street journals, Washington Post, LA Times everybody. It took a lot of courage to speak up because people won't believe at the time you were the first one to break the news.
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And we also subject to a lots of censorship, a lots of harassments reporters being harassed, their relatives in China being harassed. I personally was physically attacked outside my office a hundred meters from my office when I walked from the office to subway stations after work. And that was right before I went to speak at Freedom Fest and the Freedom Fest topic I was talking about counter the censorship. So someone did not want me to speak out, but I'm not afraid. I mean I think as long as before my last breath and before, there's two freedoms in China and every corner of the world and I think right now we have the best chance to end Communisms. We have secretary Microbials whose families came from Cuba and have the firsthand experience. In fact, last night I was with a officer, we were in Veterans Day celebrations and so there was an official whose family came from Cuba, was grateful her parents make the right decisions to left Cuba when she was three years old and she was making a huge impact.
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And I salute to the veterans last night and I was surrounded by veterans and it's because they're sacrificed and what they have done to safeguard freedoms. So freedom is not free. There is a price tag to it and it takes, I think it's important for all of us to honor the veterans and honor those in active service and honor the law enforcements. And I don't take for granted because I could have died during the cultural revolutions. I could have died during the T Square massacre, I could have died during the persecution. And the fact that I'm still alive on the Jenny Beth shows, I am grateful for the opportunity to share the story. And I hope everybody take part in safeguard freedoms, supporting center resolution. A seventeens when you see something, say something so evil is afraid of silence. And that's in journal. The mass medias many of those tactics being used.
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They threatened the many media outlets that their press credential could be revoked, their academias who were threatened that they will lose the chance of book being published in China. It's all sorts of fly bait. But if there's no freedoms, what will you tell your children and your grandchildrens will you want your children and grandchildren to live in the free world? If New York City is an example, it's the financial center is where more billionaire stairs, more wealthy people there and you are encouraging them to leave because they know this communism has not been successful. There's so many people who fled, cumbersome. If cumbersome is so good, why would majority of Chinese students not returning to China? A clear contrast in Taiwan, which is a democratic Chinese societies, the majority of Taiwanese students return to Taiwans and that's a good indicator. Another indicator is China has the largest capital out flights of a major countries, meaning the government officials, they send the money out.
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So a net outflow of money, they are the insiders. Why would they send the children outside? Why would they put their wife outside? So that is a clear indication. So don't be fooled by I call propaganda. That sounds good. You have to look at it financially. Can they afford it? How can they be paid for? It's like rob people to pay Paul but in a non meritocracy way of doing it is very dangerous. And I think it's a history of Brooklyn promise. I mean if you look at the history, it has never been successful. Why would we want to jump to something that to be that experiments that has been proven unsuccessful again and again and when we have a very clear recipe of success. So I think we all speak up and encourage everyone to read the above times we report the truth and despite the harassment attacks, we are being cyber attacks and we're being censored.
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And lemme give you three examples of Censorships. For example, Google in May, 2023 started remove us from Google search. So if you're not epoch time subscribers, you don't find the news. Every days we produce 200 news original stories and people cannot find it in the search. Google Discoveries in January 20th, 21st, 2021, our flagship models programs like facts matters, crossroads American thought leaders, overnights were being platformed or control limited. And then we also being even Facebook have stopped us advertisements. We were gaining 200,000 subscribers, 17,000 a month and then all of a sudden we're not allowed to advertise on Facebook. Well it's open for business. Why we cannot run advertisements. So it benefits you, right? It's a systematic way to this. Allow readers to hear the truth because we report the truth, we report the adverse effects of COVID vaccines. We report, we just trying to present information so people can make informed decisions. But we will continue. Truth is worth to stand up for, to fight for. And freedom is not free. We all contributes to safeguard it. And thank you Jenny bear for what you do because you facilitates, you're helping freedoms to survive.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:48:14):
Well thank you Janice, I appreciate that. And everyone, if they're not already subscribed to epoch times, they should go and subscribe. Many of your articles are available for free. You just have to have an account to read them and you do very good reporting there and people should go and check it out. It'll make you feel good to know that as they travel around the country, a lot of times people will pull out their physical copy of the epoch times and they say to me, oh this is the only real news in America. It's the only unbiased news that comes through and we can just get facts the way we used to. So people, you are making a difference with the audience who read you and we just need more people to be aware of it.
Janice Trey (00:49:01):
Thank you. And we are nonprofits and so we don't answer to billionaires or governments. So we rely on subscribers and also we also welcome donations as a nonprofits and we have 14,000 EPO health original articles Publish and health is something that everybody need more of and we provide information including more holistic health because we don't, we have not advertised for the pharmaceutical companies that they have agenda. So we need your support so that we can keep producing those too.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:49:43):
Okay, so make sure you subscribe to it. Janice, you talked a lot about the censorship and what you faced with censorship and the way that China censors information, but they do more than just censor, correct? They also use information as propaganda within their own country, within China and outside of China. How does that work?
Janice Trey (00:50:05):
Yeah, so Xi Jinping actually dictated in October, 2023 to export the censorships outside China and using warfare. So manipulates the legal systems, so have frivolous lawsuits when you have FIS lawsuits and they get the press and then manipulate the YouTubers and you already get the bad press and create that reputational damage even though if later on those lawsuits being thrown out. An example, shame performing ads, which is the world's world-class classical Chinese dance with life of orchestra, with patent animated backdrops reaching a millions of audience of years and their campus in upstate New York, they, they even brought the RS agents to revoke the nonprofit status and they have fer lawsuit with environmental and all those, there was nothing wrong with the campus. They may the private training facilities and produce the top talents in the world, but they use those ous lawsuits. So finally the judgment came, said they cannot refile the lawsuit.
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But that's the tactics. And if you look at other tactics being used, China has the apparat to do media and propagandas. And as a matter of fact, for many years, Washington Post, New York Times USA today have run advertisements, full page multiple pages. It read almost like regular written articles so you don't feel like it was advertisements. But those were pay ads in the form of regular writings. So if you don't pay close attention to the header, that's a pay advertisements you'll not know. And that's how a systematics using existing infrastructure and legacy medias to infiltrate. If you look at New York Times, Nicole Hong as a reporter epoch for New York Times and she along with another co-author have written a dozen piece of articles attacking Shain Performing Arts, why? And people she interview including just a handful of people versus 1,500 testimonies from students of shes and parents of she and the people who we interview were linked to Chinese Communist party and linked to the competitive of shes the Beijing Academy, but New York Times did not disclose those information so people were misguided.
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And if you look deeper, Nicole Hong's father George Hongs is under the Chinese communist parties. The overseas organizations is the propaganda act. And if you trace the further back, the propaganda arm is run by ING who's one of the China bureaus, the top polar bureaus, one of the seven polar bureaus. And he was in charge this overseas systematically to penetrates medias penetrates the propaganda. And so you have media outlets that have been either using advertisement or also threatened media like epoch times they were threatened. The advertiser who want to advertise with real times, they were threatened by the Chinese embassy. So they use all sorts of tactics. And so information is crucial. It's not only misinformation, but this information's purposely in fact X found that there were thousands and thousands of boards that was promoting the New York Times defamation type of articles on nu. And it become the number one most read in the election years, last years.
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It's not possible in the election years there are other articles more likely number one because they use law to make it number one. And so it's the same tactics that has been applied, the many lawsuits against President Trump's and they trying to do similar tactics apply to many others. So we have to be very mindful of the tactics and you will want to ask at their best interests, are there invisible hints behind or some used threats? Give you an example, in Hong Kong. Hong Kong was under British colony where experience and then post returning to China in 1997, they cannot openly change the laws because many laws were written during the colonial times. So what they did, they threatened the life of the family members of the judges. So we have to see through that, not just on the surface.
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What's the bottom line is the truth is the truth. And if we stick to the truth, if we give voice to the truth, we support media outlets that speaking of the truth, like epoch times and N-D-D-T-V and it is like a life flight. You keep it going, you help those who give a voice to the voiceless and that's really important. And in return we'll be able to bring the information that help you make timely decisions like the readers who are able to save their own lives by left China. We also have people who came back return to us timely before all the lockdown. Imagine some of the tourists were overseas and read about, they would have been stuck overseas if they didn't have the information timely.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:57:12):
So Janice, what is the great firewall of China and how is that important to the CCP Maintaining control?
Janice Trey (00:57:23):
So the firewall in China is essentially they sensor information. They use a different keywords, they filter also if it's fungal related, they will have an antigo. If you type June 4th, 1989, you do not find t and square massacres because they already sent all those information. So there are people who came up with the 35 days of May in order to get to June 4th. And so that's the censorship means they're trying to hide something from the people. And that's why if we can ask if President Trump or the administrations ask Xi Jinping and whoever in the leadership in China to tear down the firewall in China, that basically that is the internet firewall and then information will feel freely, then people will have the opportunity to listen to the gospel. People will have the opportunity to know what it's like in democracy democratic countries because China, the propaganda in Chinese communist party has been always painted the picture.
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Do you know why they keep silence? Taiwan disa allowed Taiwan to join. Well health organization, don't you want people to have health as well? Why would you censor? Because the existence of a Chinese society that's democratic is a stark contrast to the communist Chinas because they painted the only communism is good for Chinese people the same way in Hong Kong. Remember the umbrella movements where people trying to protest and using white paper or use an umbrella to express and they were crushed out. And in fact people, Hong Kongers who left Hong Kong, they trying to catch them because the existence of the more democratic systems, it's a stock conscious to cumbersome because cumbersome was never rooted in a 5,000 year civilization. And that's also part of the reasons that communist party trying to suppress cha unions in all levels. They bomb threats, death threats, sled, the tie of the SHA buses they don't want audience to see in the very cold weather in Washington DC on the first day on the premier S in 2025, they have the bomb threats.
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There was no re bomb. If someone truly want to do a bomb, they won't give you advanced notice. The bomb threat is usually it's just trying to get you out when you're in the middle of rehearsal, you're not dressed warmly and make you outside and just give you that make you suffer because they don't want audience. And there are some audience who bought tickets and after they read the news of bomb threats and they didn't go. So that's what they're trying to censor because Shain present China before communisms 5,000 years civilization, there were no communism is the most magical experience. I have the chance to introduce that to Kate Blanchard in a Kennedy Center cast party. And afterwards Kate Blanchard saw, describe it as an extra author experience exquisitely beautiful and great for the children too. So for anyone who have not seen it, I strongly encourage you once in your lifetime experience yourself.
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Don't let the Chinese propagandas to fool you. Give yourself a chance. The est in puddings, you'll know I have introduced to many, I've never have anyone who after seeing Shauns regressing it, I have many people say, oh, I wish I have seen it earlier. I miss all those years. This year coming up is the 20th anniversary in every year brand new production. It's a singing, dancing life. Orchestras is, think of a movie, a live theater and live concert. All three in one over 20 programs with a bilingual mc. You see, learn more about China. Even if you go to China today, even if you go to the forbidden cities, you see architecture, you have no idea how people live, what the spirits, what are the values? You learn the Chinese traditional culture about fidelity, about loyalty, about courage, all that. And it's great for the children, great for all generations and other secrets that for thousands of years Empress surround themselves right type music for healing and they have five major organs. And the Chinese music is five tones. Western music, seven tone. And she in his unique orchestra combine seven tones and fine tone in one harmonic songs imagines the vibrations and how it will do to your health. So don't miss it. She S-H-E-N-Y-U n.com.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:02:38):
Very good. And we'll put that on the screen for the people who are watching this rather than listening to it so that they can hear it. My last set of questions for you are these, what is it that we can do as Americans? And you've already talked about Senate Bill eight 17 and we can subscribe to epoch times and we should be urging to tear down the internet firewall. What else is it that America can do to help stand up against China and the CCP and as a country? And then are there any other calls to action you have for individuals?
Janice Trey (01:03:20):
Yes, I will strongly encourage everyone to speak up. Freedom is worth preserving and I'm sure you have stories so people have the stories. We'll welcome those stories and we can help more people be informed. So we welcome whether it's op-ed and all those to epoch times, but they are, as a consumers, you make choices every day. It's what you buy. So be mindful. For example, the majority of drone were produced by China and this risk of how the drone being used and maybe you find alternatives, maybe make via French manufacturer or American manufacturers. But just be mindful, check the label, where's the make? And think about it. It's a part of the products that making forced labor camps or would they adhere to the standards in particular with baby products and those related to health, you want to be very sure to protect your children's life.
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So I would say take extra precautions and certainly encourage your member of Congress and even your city and state level to really pay attention that I give you examples on Boston's, they raised the flag on the anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party. And that's something that if more people speaking up, that will not happen. So that's something that you could say no upfront before they trying to take actions on that. And we truly, I need to understand Communisms, it's about eliminating others. So don't expect communisms, don't trust in what communistic leaders and communist states, their propagandas. You need to see through what's really behind and there are resources that encourage you. We produce the final wall. We also produce takeover Hollywood. So you can search on epoch TVs. The final wall is systematic showing hundred years plan. They have systematic take down and two books.
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I will highly recommend the nine commentaries of the Chinese Communist Parties. This is the book that have inspired so many Chinese to withdraw from the Chinese Communist Party. And is affiliate organization is the book that is changing China from a communist states to new communistic state. Remember, for 5,000 years there were no communisms. It's only the past eight decades or less. So it's so important. And then the second book that highly recommends is the specter of communism, ruin the worlds. It shows systematic infiltrations of communism in the different names, in educations, in legals, in every facets of society. So that is a book that is a wpo and you can be active in the school boards, you can be active in your city states, many levels of elections and be mindful of the infiltration and the tactics they use. We want to safeguard our educations.
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And last but not least, I think traditions and call to action just epoch times focus on true tradition and hopes. We do see that tradition as a way to counter the downhill slopes of the moral declines and get back to traditions, traditional values. And that's what N-D-D-T-V have produced. A nice series of competitions, the traditional classical singing, classical pianos in all the traditional values and traditional martial arts and so forth. We do think that revival of the traditional values and follow and live our lives based on the simple principles, universal principles of truth, compassion, forbearance, and that will enrich your life and that will elevate. And I think we just need to help each other. And just like what Jenny Beth and I, we joined hands, we were in a conference together and we speaking up and now we continue to bring it to more audience and I'm sure there will be other opportunities and the welcome to join other opportunities that will be presented to me and maybe one of the audience could make that happen. And so we just want to give the voice to the voiceless because the voiceless cannot speak up, but we can't. And maybe you can facilitate that. Thank you,
Jenny Beth Martin (01:08:36):
Tiana, thank you so much. Your story is so inspiring from child labor camps to running and being part of such an amazing free press opportunity, speaking truth and inspiring people to have courage and standing for freedom. Thank you for all that you do in your life personally day to day. And thank you for joining me today.
Janice Trey (01:08:59):
Thank you Jenny Beth. Appreciate you and I wish everybody who listened to this watch this and truth may, truth, compassion, and forbearance enrich your life. Thank you.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:09:15):
I'm Jenny Beth Martin and this is a Jenny Beth show. We'll see you tomorrow. If you enjoy today's conversation, go ahead and hit like and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about freedom and the Constitution. You can find this and other episodes@jennybethshow.com as well as Facebook Rumble, YouTube, Instagram X in your favorite podcast platform.
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