Jenny Beth continues her conversation with Steve Moore and Bill Walton. From Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) to Diversity Equity Inclusion (DEI) and the incompetence of government agencies. This episode continues the conversation about the things that are shaping our economic woes and what we must do to reverse course.
Steve Moore is a former Trump economist, a Distinguished Fellow at The Heritage Foundation, a former columnist for the Wall Street Journal, and a co-founder of The Committee to Unleash Prosperity. You can sign up for his daily newsletter at https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/
Bill Walton is the former CEO of a $6 billion private equity fund on the New York Stock Exchange. He has decades of experience in finance and banking, and is the host of The Bill Walton Show. https://thebillwaltonshow.com/
Twitter: @stephenmoore @billwaltonshow @jennybethm
The Jenny Beth Show is hosted by Jenny Beth Martin, Produced by Kevin Mooneyhan, and Directed by Luke Livingston. The Jenny Beth Show is a production of Tea Party Patriots Action. https://www.teapartypatriots.org
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The battle for America's soul rage us on, a wide open southern border, crippling national debt. The constant onslaught of wokeism and creeping socialism and the weaponization of government agencies against the people keeping our republic is on the line. And it requires patriots with great passion, dedication, and eternal vigilance to preserve our freedoms. Jenny Beth Martin is the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots. She's an author, a filmmaker and one of Time Magazine's most influential people in the world. But the title she is most proud of is mom to her boy/girl twins. She has been at the forefront fighting to protect America's core principles for more than a decade. Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show.
Jenny Beth Martin (02:01):
In the last episode of the Jenny Beth Show, I sat down with former Trump economist Steve Moore, and finance guru Bill Walton, to talk about bank bailouts and the debt ceiling. Today, we continue the conversation, and discuss things like central bank digital currency, or CBDC, how wokeism is destroying capitalism, and the real struggle of small business owners to survive in this economy.
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Well, Steve and Bill, thank you so much for being with me today. Earlier, in the beginning of the conversation, you talked about, and we kind of glossed over it, I want to unpack this a bit, CBDC, central bank digital currency, and the concerns about that. Explain what that is and why people really should be concerned, and that it's not really a tin foil hat thing that some people might think.
Bill Walton (02:52):
Your eyes glaze over and you think, "CBDC, maybe that's a rock club in downtown Manhattan." But it's not. It's something quite sinister. And what it is essentially is that, instead of banking with your local bank, or even one of the big banks, you end up with a bank account at the Federal Reserve, or some affiliate of the Federal Reserve. And so, the bank, Federal Reserve is no longer the lender of last resort, but it's the primary provider of financial services. And what that means is that all of our financial services are essentially provided by the federal government. Now, there are lots of different mechanisms how to bring it back, but the essence is once they get control of that, A, they know what's in there, and B, they know what you're spending it on, and C, they can block spending. And they rolled out a credit card two years ago in Davos, [inaudible 00:03:53] "This is a great credit card. It'll monitor your carbon footprint."
Jenny Beth Martin (03:59):
Oh my goodness. It's crazy.
Bill Walton (03:59):
And I thought that was crazy joke. And I get an email promotion from American Express, which is, by the way, part of the woke empire, saying, "Your credit card is now outfitted so you personally can monitor your carbon footprint."
Steve Moore (04:15):
But not just you. They can monitor it.
Bill Walton (04:17):
"Oh, by the way, we'll help you. We'll help you. We're the federal government. We're here to help you monitor." So, they're taking advantage, and this is the thing where people, Myron Ebell joked about this thing. Republicans are all sort of light green. They're sort of nodding, "Oh, yeah, we sort of want to be green." That's extremely dangerous. You got to really tow the line to fight that stuff. But the CBDC, we don't know how it's going to play out, but that's essentially what would happen. And a lot of those 5,000 regional banks, small banks, well, they're not going to be viable in that system, and so you'll end up banking with the government.
Steve Moore (04:56):
And this, of course, is why there's a war in Washington and at the Federal Reserve against cryptocurrencies, because that's a competitor to the government having control of the money supply. I'm not going to recommend or not recommend having cryptocurrencies, but, people, the idea of having a non-government controlled currency is a good thing, not a bad thing. But I guarantee you that the government's going to try to run them out of business.
Bill Walton (05:24):
Steve, do you think we could ever get back to gold?
Steve Moore (05:27):
You mean, what do you mean by that?
Bill Walton (05:29):
To back our money. We're on Richard Nixon's money plan right now. When he threw out the, what'd he threw out? Bretton Woods.
Steve Moore (05:37):
Well, Steve Forbes is a big fan of that. I do think the dollar has to be anchored to something, and the idea that the Federal Reserve just makes it up as they go along is very economically destabilizing.
Jenny Beth Martin (05:54):
I heard some of the Senate Democrat leadership recently in a press conference say that increasing the debt ceiling, it's just a matter of paying our bills, and that those who are against it just don't want to pay their bills. What would you say to that, and how would you counter that?
Steve Moore (06:11):
You're not going to get an increase in your credit card limit until you come up with a plan to get us out of debt. Period. End of argument. And by the way, would it be the end of the world if we didn't... Let's just assume that Biden sticks with his thing. I'm not going to negotiate this. Okay, so then, at some point, we reach a, where we're reaching the debt limit. Does that mean that we have to default on our debt? No. The government has money coming in every day. It would be like a defacto balanced budget. Here's the idea. You could only spend as much as you bring in. Oh, gee. That's what every business and household does. What a concept. "So, what would that mean?" "You're going to have to prioritize." "Well, what's the top priority?" As I understand it, the creditors have the first claim on the money, so you pay the bonds, right?
Bill Walton (06:58):
In the good old days, yeah.
Steve Moore (06:58):
So, you pay your social security, then you pay your Medicare, then, whoops, "We don't have enough money for the Department of Education this month." Would that be a disaster?
Jenny Beth Martin (07:05):
That probably would be-
Steve Moore (07:06):
A good thing.
Jenny Beth Martin (07:07):
It might Save America.
Steve Moore (07:08):
So, come on. So, why is Janet Yellen running around the country, trying to scare people?
Bill Walton (07:11):
Well, the argument they have, what they say, "Well, you had 17 Republican senators who voted for the Inflation Reduction Act."
Steve Moore (07:19):
Shame on them.
Bill Walton (07:21):
But that's what, we've got people who are playing for the other side. And so, it's hard, because, in fact, Mitt Romney was part of the group that said, "Yeah, we ought spend this extra money." And I think over half of the money in the so-called Inflation Reduction Act went to the climate lobby.
Jenny Beth Martin (07:38):
It's such a problem.
Bill Walton (07:39):
If I sound like a one-note person here, I'm very concerned, because it's going to wreck the economy in addition to wrecking our budget.
Jenny Beth Martin (07:46):
Well, it is going to wreck the economy, and if we actually want to expand our economy and grow businesses here, I think we need fewer regulations, not more regulations, so that businesses could potentially manufacture in America again. You can't manufacture when you have OSHA and the EPA and so many regulations that it creates an unbalanced playing field if you're trying to manufacture in America versus China.
Bill Walton (08:16):
It's one of the reasons manufacturing was driven out of the United States.
Jenny Beth Martin (08:19):
Yeah.
Steve Moore (08:19):
Here's the thing. This is a good example. So, we had a bipartisan bill that passed Congress in the last week or two. If you have standing water, if you have a puddle on your land, you know this, if you have a puddle on your land, that's federally regulated. And you build something, they can come in and put you in jail for, "Oh, what about this little stream here?" And so, everybody realizes this is craziness. And so, the Congress, even the Democrats agreed to repeal this rule, so we can develop our land and create jobs. And Biden's going to veto that bill.
Jenny Beth Martin (08:56):
Of course.
Steve Moore (08:57):
He's going to veto it. If I were on your land, I'd be afraid to build anything. They're going to come, they're going to put you in jail. They're going to put you in handcuffs. I'm serious. You're laughing.
Bill Walton (09:08):
I'm on the side of a mountain. I have excellent defensive perimeter.
Steve Moore (09:14):
You're going to need it.
Bill Walton (09:15):
I'm not going to go into details, but.
Steve Moore (09:18):
No, but I have a lot of friends who live in rural Virginia, they have a little stream running through property.
Bill Walton (09:23):
Sure, [inaudible 00:09:24].
Steve Moore (09:24):
And they're terrified that the EPA is going to say, "Oh, you blocked this stream," or whatever it is. And this is really a dangerous situation. And my friend, who runs this group, Open the Books, I don't know if you're familiar.
Jenny Beth Martin (09:38):
Yes.
Bill Walton (09:38):
Andrew, unpronounceable last name.
Steve Moore (09:41):
Do you know how much weapons these federal agencies have? I'm not talking about the FBI. I'm not talking about the Secret Service. I'm talking the Environmental Protection Agency, the IRS, the [inaudible 00:09:52]. Why do they need weapons? Why do they need weapons?
Jenny Beth Martin (09:54):
It's not just weapons. They're military-grade weapons. It's not just like a gun that they might have on a holster. It's military-grade weapons. China doesn't have the same kind of regulations, so if you want to make a battery and China and it harms the environment to manufacture it there, you can. You can't do that here, but you can there.
Bill Walton (10:21):
Well, Jennifer Granholm, our secretary of energy-
Steve Moore (10:24):
Who knows nothing about energy.
Bill Walton (10:25):
Was praising China's work in reducing carbon emissions.
Steve Moore (10:31):
No, she wasn't.
Bill Walton (10:31):
China's building a coal plant every week. They're doing nothing except giving head pats to Jennifer Granholm. I mean, how do we end up with these blithering idiots in all these cabinet positions?
Jenny Beth Martin (10:44):
DEI. Diversity, equity and inclusion. The executive order from 2021.
Steve Moore (10:44):
How dare say that about Pete Buttigieg? He's a transportation expert.
Jenny Beth Martin (10:50):
Have you heard, the federal government has told airlines they need to reduce their flights over the summer by 10%, because they can't get enough air traffic controllers, thanks to Buttigieg?
Bill Walton (11:01):
Well, that's affirmative action.
Jenny Beth Martin (11:03):
I'm sure it is.
Bill Walton (11:05):
No, they stopped administering competency tests for air traffic controllers, and instead, they're doing personality profile interviews, and they want to see if people have got the right personality profile. They're not asking them about their algebra skills or their computational skills. It's a personality test.
Jenny Beth Martin (11:27):
When I'm in the air, I don't care what the personality is.
Bill Walton (11:30):
None of us do. None of us do.
Jenny Beth Martin (11:30):
As long as none of they mathematically can get me back down on the ground.
Bill Walton (11:33):
That's not what you're doing here with the show, what we're all trying to do. This is not getting reported anywhere in the mainstream media. You're not going to hear this. And so, I think when the normal people hear about all the bad stuff that's going on, I think we can get our political act together and actually win some elections. But it's worse than people imagine when you look into them. I'm driving down Independence Avenue to come down to visit you, and I drive past the Capitol, and I look at all these kind of really unattractive people going in and out of the Capitol building, and they're all lobbyists. And they're all people parading in and out of these buildings, all in Washington, to try to get something.
Jenny Beth Martin (12:18):
I visited a member of Congress who was on the appropriations committee.
Bill Walton (12:23):
Must be very popular.
Jenny Beth Martin (12:25):
During a debt ceiling battle or something like that. He was never going to do what I wanted, but I was trying to figure out what is it that the more squishy Republicans were thinking, just so I would have a better understanding. And he, or his staffer, I think he was a staffer, but he agreed with the staffer. He said, "We just don't know what to do with you, because you were the only people who come in here and ask for nothing, and tell us you want us not to spend money." I'm like, "That's pretty easy. Just stop spending money." But because I wouldn't ask for anything, they didn't know how to handle me.
Bill Walton (13:02):
John Kyle, I think, is a good guy. But he invited me to his PAC outing down in Miami, to go to the NASCAR races. He was a lawyer for NASCAR, and he's a big NASCAR fan, and it was great to go down there. And I was down there with 30, 35 people, and, you know, I'm a private sector guy. And on Sunday morning, he actually came up to me, at about 11 o'clock. He said, "So, why are you down here?" And I said, "Well, I'm for good judges and limited government and low taxes and free America." And he said, "Well, you know, we got a transportation bill that's coming out next week. Don't you have anything you want in that bill? Everybody else here has got something."
(13:48):
He wasn't being cynical, he was just being just candid about what was really going on. It's all very transactional. Everybody here has got something they want to get in the bill, something they want to get for their industry. And, Steve, what's that economic term where, it's rent-seeking and you've got concentrated interests against diffused people? And we got all these concentrated interests in Washington, whether it's the climate lobby or the light bulb manufacturers. Special interests. They're highly specialized. And if they can get two lines or three lines in the big bills that nobody reads, they win. And, I don't know, I think we may need to start a tea party or something like that.
Jenny Beth Martin (14:31):
Something like that. That's what we're trying to do. And I think it's important that people understand these issues. I think we've got an issue right now today with people who are activists versus what we had when the Tea Party movement first started. When we first started, going viral was a brand new thing on the internet. It didn't happen every single day. And so, our call to action for having a tax state tea party went viral, and we are able to get a lot of people to come out and take action on it. Now, we're in a situation where people go viral every five minutes online. There's a video and you get a million views on this, and a hundred thousand here, and 200,000 there.
(15:21):
What's happening, I think, is there's such an information overload with all of the bad things that a lot of people are just going, "I don't know how to make a difference." And what I'm trying to do, partly with these podcasts, is elaborate on some of the issues a little bit more, rather than the five seconds or the 30 seconds you get on the news, or the 60 or 90 seconds you get on Twitter or Instagram, and delve into the issues a little bit more. And then, in the next 20 months, all of us, as citizens and activists, are going to have to engage politically in the elections, and work to make a difference, because we cannot continue to have the incompetent people who meet the right diversity, equity and inclusion checklist check box running our government and destroying our country.
Bill Walton (16:14):
You know, there's a president's press secretary.
Jenny Beth Martin (16:19):
Yeah, yes.
Steve Moore (16:19):
They talk all the time about diversity, and we did this study at the Committee to Unleash Prosperity that came out about six months ago. We just looked at the top 75 people in the Biden administration who deal with economics, finance, business, transportation, energy. Starting with the top, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, then it's cabinet officials. And you know what the median number of years of business experience of these people is?
Jenny Beth Martin (16:42):
I'm afraid to know.
Steve Moore (16:43):
Zero. Zero. So that means they're either community activists, they're lawyers, they are government, people who've spent their whole life in government, or university professors. And these are people who couldn't run a lemonade stand. And people always say, "Well, how did that happen?" It wasn't an oversight. They don't want people who know anything about government. I mean, about business.
Bill Walton (17:10):
About business, yeah.
Steve Moore (17:11):
Yeah. They don't want people, because they think businessmen like Bill Walton are sinister. And so, is it surprising that we've got these results? Donald Trump, I have a great personal affection for him. I think he did a lot of great things, I think he was a great president in a lot of ways. But a lot of the stuff he did was just common sense. But he just understood, he had a businessman's framework. I guarantee you, these people in the White House today, they regard business as the enemy. Well, as my old boss, Dick Armer, used to say, without businesses you don't have jobs. That should be self-evident, but they don't understand that.
Jenny Beth Martin (17:54):
And jobs are not a bad thing. Having a job is not a bad thing. I think that there are many on the left who think somehow that having a job is a bad thing, doing hard work, physically demanding type work is looked down upon.
Bill Walton (18:07):
Or any work. The left has been demonizing work of all kinds forever, and that's the problem, is that they demonize work. And if you do have one of these jobs in a McDonald's, that you're a terrible person, because you're not doing, I guess-
Steve Moore (18:23):
Because you're exploited, you're being exploited.
Bill Walton (18:23):
You're not doing, you're being exploited, political activism. Yeah, it's a big problem.
Jenny Beth Martin (18:32):
And I think that there's a very good visual example of the lack of experience that people in his administration and cabinet have, and that's when Pete Buttigieg went to East Palestine.
Steve Moore (18:45):
Oh, I thought you meant when he went on his parental leave for something, for nine months in the middle of a transportation crisis.
Jenny Beth Martin (18:53):
That too, almost everything he does. But just watching him on the video while he was there, he looked so uncomfortable walking around an area where it was dirty, and there was a real problem in there. There were people in need.
Bill Walton (19:08):
It was a Michael Dukakis moment, in the tank.
Jenny Beth Martin (19:09):
It really was.
Bill Walton (19:10):
Yeah.
Jenny Beth Martin (19:10):
He just looked so out of place.
Steve Moore (19:13):
And that's why about those people in places like East Palestine voted for Trump. Trump was truly the blue collar, middle class president. And they are the party of the rich. They are. The Democrats. The wealthiest counties in the United States went overwhelmingly for Biden. They didn't go for Trump.
Jenny Beth Martin (19:33):
Silicon Valley Bank. It's the rich people and it's the leftist who support the Democrat policies.
Steve Moore (19:43):
Is it liberal guilt? What is it? I mean, you're pretty rich yourself. So, why is it all your colleagues are liberals?
Bill Walton (19:50):
We all went to Yale.
Steve Moore (19:52):
Well, that's probably part of it.
Bill Walton (19:53):
We can't overlook [inaudible 00:19:55].
Steve Moore (19:54):
But do they feel guilt? No. Do they feel guilty about having so much money?
Bill Walton (19:57):
They do.
Jenny Beth Martin (19:58):
Well, and most of them didn't earn it themselves. I don't mean that they shouldn't have it, but maybe they didn't build the businesses.
Bill Walton (20:05):
But the ones in Silicon Valley did.
Jenny Beth Martin (20:07):
Yeah, that's true.
Bill Walton (20:07):
And it's a mystery of the universe why they want to want to wreck society, wreck the economy, in order to atone for their sins. They're not committing any sins. I mean, I've always hated this term giving back, because I thought if you're running a good business, you're giving a lot to society right there.
Steve Moore (20:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Bill Walton (20:26):
And so, this is the question Sarah and I, my wife, we talk about almost every day, about, how can these people believe what they believe?
Jenny Beth Martin (20:37):
Yes.
Bill Walton (20:39):
I mean, it's just, it's astonishing. And yet, they're in that tribe, and that tribe rewards that behavior. And of course, let's not forget that a lot of this diversity, equity and inclusion, and money that goes to it, who's it go to? Consultants, consulting firms. They're huge contracts. The diversity consultant or DEI head at Ford Motor Company's getting paid almost a million dollars a year. And if you talk about climate, climate's a good thing. Well, I've talked about this. There are trillions of dollars going into it, so they're getting rewarded for their, quote, "virtue." And so, they've turned this virtue into a business. And there's a CRT-
Steve Moore (21:23):
Like Al Gore, right?
Bill Walton (21:24):
Like Al Gore.
Steve Moore (21:25):
How much has he gotten off of climate [inaudible 00:21:26]?
Bill Walton (21:26):
There's a CRT industry, there's a DEI industry.
Jenny Beth Martin (21:29):
There's an emerging environmental social governance industry.
Bill Walton (21:33):
Exactly.
Jenny Beth Martin (21:34):
They're teaching that in colleges now, how to measure-
Bill Walton (21:39):
I went to business school. I can't imagine being in business school now, because they have all those there, all those courses there.
Jenny Beth Martin (21:47):
And that's one thing that really alarms me at the moment about ESG. People are beginning to understand, at least be familiar with the term. By the time we understood what was going on with diversity, equity and inclusion, and critical race theory, and critical social justice theory, it had already been taught in colleges for over a decade. And so, the people who had been taught the theory were now acting on the theory in their professions. The same thing is happening right now with ESG, but I think we're at the beginning of it. But there are textbooks about it. So, it's being taught in colleges. We need to find a way to head that off before we have another generation of kids, or another 10 years' worth of kids, who are just completely indoctrinated with it, and then they go run businesses with that, because we will have businesses failing left and right if that is how you run your business.
Steve Moore (22:43):
Well, luckily those people are too stupid to be able to run a business. But it's posed upon them. I'll give one piece of advice to your viewers and listeners, because I know you have people of all income ranges. It would help if all of our conservative donors just never gave another penny to a university.
Bill Walton (23:03):
Oh, amen.
Steve Moore (23:04):
Why are we putting money into the hands of our enemies? I think about people like my dad, who is not political, he's a successful businessman, and he gave a couple million dollars to Northwestern University. A, the last thing Northwestern University needs is $2 million, and B, they're one of the most liberal places. They're anti-America. So, I get so frustrated with, so many of our conservative donors do that. And just stop giving money to universities. They can't be saved. Now, there are a few good ones, like the school in Michigan.
Jenny Beth Martin (23:38):
Hillsdale.
Steve Moore (23:39):
Yeah.
Bill Walton (23:39):
Hillsdale.
Steve Moore (23:39):
But not that many. So, sometimes we're inadvertently arming our enemies, and we've got to stop doing that.
Jenny Beth Martin (23:47):
Absolutely. Okay, before we go, Steve, when I saw you and saw lectures with you, maybe they weren't lectures, but you were doing presentations during the Trump administration. I just remember you pointing to a curve that was going up, and you had a huge smile on your face, and you were very positive and optimistic. And things are bad right now, and we've talked about how bad they are throughout this episode. Do you have confidence that if we have the right leadership, we can turn this around?
Steve Moore (24:21):
Oh, of course. I mean, America, we'll get through this crisis. It's just that every year we wait, we're in a ditch right now, we keep digging. Okay, first, stop digging, right? Stop spending more money. Stop paying people not to work. Stop doing stupid things. Stop printing money. And so, yeah, if we had a Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis or a Kim Reynolds or someone like that, I think we could bring an end to this quickly. And America's incredibly resilient. I mean, look how fast, after three terrible presidents, Nixon, Ford and Carter, Reagan came in. And it took him 18 months, but he cleaned the whole thing up, and we had a boom.
(24:56):
So, I do believe in America, and I do believe that, as Reagan said, that it was divine providence who put America here as a beacon of freedom. One thing that really worries me, I don't know if you saw the poll in the Wall Street Journal. In 25 years, half as many Americans are religious, half as many Americans are patriotic, and half as many Americans want a family as was the case 25 years ago. And so, what we've done, and I don't want to end this on a negative point, but if this continues, look, if you don't believe in country, God, or family, you start believing in the pagan god of big government.
Jenny Beth Martin (25:39):
That's correct. So, we have to just make sure that as part of what we're doing, we're educating people in the value of our values, and the importance of self-reliance, and of family, and of God.
Steve Moore (25:56):
And the free enterprise system.
Jenny Beth Martin (25:57):
Absolutely. I think that's one of the most important things that we can do.
Steve Moore (26:01):
They're not teaching that in the schools today. None of that.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:04):
No, they are not. But we can, and we are, and we have to continue to do that.
Steve Moore (26:11):
Thank you, Jenny Beth. Good to be with you.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:13):
Well, thank you so much.
Steve Moore (26:14):
Your words of wisdom are fantastic.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:14):
Thank you very much Steve, and thank you, Bill. Thank you so much for being with me. Do you have any websites you want to let people know about?
Steve Moore (26:21):
I want everybody to get our Committee to Unleash Prosperity hotline. We are combating inflation by providing that for free to people, so it costs you nothing. Just go to the Committee to Unleash Prosperity website and sign up for that, and we'll be getting it to you every morning. And you can read it in five minutes every morning, but I think people will really get a lot of value out of it.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:41):
It's an excellent-
Steve Moore (26:42):
Thank you.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:42):
Excellent email. And Bill, what about you? You've got a podcast yourself.
Bill Walton (26:45):
I do. It's thebillwaltonshow.com, and we're on Substack and YouTube and Rumble, and all the major podcast platforms. And we've done about 220 shows so far, including you.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:59):
Yes.
Bill Walton (26:59):
You were great. You're coming back on.
Jenny Beth Martin (27:00):
I would love to.
Bill Walton (27:01):
And Steve's been on a couple of times.
Steve Moore (27:02):
Many times.
Bill Walton (27:03):
I get all our fellow travelers. But what we're doing is exactly what you're doing right now, is we want to take a topic and go deep into it, so you can know how to talk about it, to be an advocate. And it's not particularly red meat, but we're very firm about what works and what doesn't work, and what's moral and what's not moral. And the other side's great, except what they want to do. All they want to do is take our freedom, our money, and our dignity. That's all they want.
Jenny Beth Martin (27:33):
And we cannot let this go.
Bill Walton (27:33):
And we can't let that happen. So, it's a show that's not, we're not yelling at you. But on the other hand, we've got a really firm view about what works and what doesn't work, and I think all three of us are on common ground on that one.
Jenny Beth Martin (27:47):
Absolutely. Well, thank you both so much for being with me today.
Bill Walton (27:51):
Yeah. It's fun.
Jenny Beth Martin (27:51):
Thank you. And I am Jenny Beth Martin. This is the Jenny Beth Show. Thanks for joining us.
(28:00):
I really enjoyed the conversation with Steve Moore and Bill Walton, and I hope you did too. Clearly, we have some major problems that we need to fix in our economy and in our country. If you want to stay informed on these issues, please subscribe to the podcast so you will know every time we post a new episode. Together, we can take meaningful action that will help put our country back on the path to prosperity.
Narrator (28:25):
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Jenny Beth Martin (28:46):
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