In this episode, Jenny Beth continues the conversation with Steve Deace as they dive into some of the more serious issues we face in America today. Steve argues that we are now more like pilgrims than patriots and that we are in a stage that more closely resembles the Sons of Liberty rather than the Founding Fathers. Listen to the episode to find out more and don't forget to watch Nefarious in theaters!
Steve Deace is a best-selling author, a filmmaker, and a radio personality for BlazeTV. His film Nefarious - a thriller that you won't want to miss - hits theaters nationwide on April 14, 2023. In this episode (part 1 of 2) Jenny Beth takes over Steve's Iowa studio to interview him about the new film. Steve goes into detail about what inspired the film and what you can expect to experience when you go see it. Steve also talks about his latest book, Rise of the Fourth Reich: Confronting COVID Fascism with a New Nuremberg Trial, So This Never Happens Again. Steve and Jenny Beth also touch briefly on some of the ridiculous polices that were forced upon the country during the COVID pandemic.
Part 2 will launch on Friday, April 14th, where Steve and Jenny Beth dive much deeper into some of the biggest challenges we face as a nation.
You can find more information about Nefarious at www.whoisnefarious.com and you can purchase tickets at www.nefarioustickets.com.
You can catch Steve's show at www.stevedeace.com
You can buy Steve's book at www.amazon.com
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Jenny Beth Martin:
Today's episode is the second half of an interview with Steve Deace, bestselling author, BlazeTV host, and now filmmaker. In the last episode, we talked about his upcoming film, Nefarious, which is in theaters now. You can check that out by going to whoisnefarious.com, again, whoisnefarious.com, and check out our last episode of The Jenny Beth Show. Today, we're talking about culture, politics, and news of the day. Now let's get to the second half of the interview with Steve Deace.
In your book, I think that it is in Do What You Believe, you talk about these inconvenient truths about America, and one of the things that you say is that we are pilgrims, not patriots, and that we need to think of ourselves more as the Sons of Liberty rather than the Founding Fathers. Would you elaborate on that a little bit?
Steve Deace:
I think there is a notion that COVID was an outlier, and the world panicked because of this unforeseen arrival of a virus. I wish I believed that. I don't. I think that there are forces at work in this world that were waiting for the perfect time to do the Thanos snap on Western civilization, and they just needed the right MacGuffin, the thing that would truly hit us home to home at a molecular level, issues like global warming, climate change, whatever you want to call it.
Those aren't things that the average American is impacted by on a daily basis. So what is something that would provide their ability to, in one fell swoop, change the way we live on a kitchen table level in every home in the country? When this arrived, that provided it. COVID is not an outlier. It is a harvest. What it indicates is two things. As I just said a minute ago, there were nefarious forces in this world waiting for the moment that they could Thanos snap whatever was left of Western civilization, which admittedly was already hanging by a string anyway.
But then secondly, it also shows that a not insignificant portion of our countrymen have been successfully programmed into ... Forget the old culture war where when I would come on the show and try to counter Bill Maher's anti-religion narrative, but him and I at least agreed that human beings had some individual autonomy. I just thought, as a Christian, ultimately, God governs that. So there are some boundaries to it other than as long as the other person consents to it, I can do whatever I want with them. That was his answer. But we were at least both arguing the same premise.
Human beings do have individual liberty. We're just debating what's the limits of it. The new debate now is I don't want liberty. I don't want to be free. I want to be controlled. Loki was right. I was made to be ruled, so rule me. Tell me what I'll cover my face with. Tell me what medicines I can and cannot have. Control every aspect of my life, and I long for that.
There's a comedian, Ryan Long, who did a fantastic bit last year talking about, "Corporations are terrible and evil, unless they're called Pfizer. Then they're great, and I offer my body up as a living sacrifice to be an experiment." I mean that level of compliance cannot be compatible with liberty on any level, and a not insignificant portion of our countrymen now have been so successfully dumbed down and programmed and conditioned into being wards of the state that they could not wait to roll over.
I think we have to come to grips with this idea. I mean there's a poll out just today, the day you and I are taping this. Wall Street Journal has a poll that shows over the last 30 years what the arc of American values is on religion, patriotism. Except for money, except for money, they're all in the wrong direction. This quantifies death of the West kind of stuff here in the United States.
I think we have got to understand that even though those institutions in the country, that hospital might still be called Cedars-Sinai, still might be called Sisters of Mercy, but they sat there and watched while people died of cytokine storms and pulmonary infections and inflammations in hospitals and didn't give them nebulizers and didn't give them steroids and didn't give them ivermectin and didn't give them hydroxychloroquine.
They sat there and watched them die because the CDC guidelines said so. So it might still have the name that it was founded or the worldview it was founded in, but that institution doesn't represent that. On the right, we love the military, except the military is who actually creates these viruses or funds them through the Department of Defense.
And then look how they experimented on their own soldiers and then used this to basically purge the ranks and say, "Hey, we were wondering if we told you to turn a gun on your own countrymen and fire, would you do it? Let's find out. Take this poison that has no testing whatsoever, and put it in your body. If you said yes, we know you'll do it. If you said, no, we know you won't, so you're gone."
We have to understand, these institutions may still bear the nostalgic markings of the worldview that we as patriots have thought all these years we were conserving, but they're whitewashed tombs at best. At worst, they are vessels for the other team, and that puts us more into pilgrim mode where we're not now saving a culture. We're terraforming a whole new one.
I've even gone so far on my show recently as saying, "I am not trying to conserve or save what this country has become. I'm trying to defeat it because I can't live with this." I can't live with, I don't know what a man is. I don't know what a woman is. I don't know what a border is. I don't know what a law is. I don't know what a child is. I don't know what a drug is. I don't know what a vaccine is. That's insane.
Jenny Beth Martin:
It is.
Steve Deace:
We can't coexist with this. We're not arguing over how much should the top marginal tax rates be, and is Medicare the best method in a social welfare state, the best method of reaching people or entrepreneurialism and rugged individualism. I wish we were still arguing about those things. We're not. We're arguing about sanity itself.
Jenny Beth Martin:
I think that's exactly right. It's sanity and it's truth and it's facts. The other side has so manipulated all of it that those ... We know what the truth is. We know what the facts are, and they say that we're crazy and that we're wrong for believing what we believe. The sad thing about it is that normally we should be the culture and people should be countering us, but instead, they have become the culture and we're now the counter to the culture. That's not normally how we've operated, at least in my lifetime in this country.
I think that social media plays a big role in this, and I think that during these lockdowns, as more and more kids were on ... We forced kids to get on the computer. Before, we said, "Screen time is bad. You can only have a little bit of screen time." And then we said, "Oh, no, you have to be on the screen six hours a day every single day, no matter what, for school." Well, if the schools were actually trying to educate through this quasi online BS that wasn't really education at all.
But social media, I think, has helped radicalize this up and coming generation that is now in college and high school or just graduating from college. They've taught them things that are just not even correct or real. The fact that they can put on their name tags, he/him and she/her, and people think that this is normal and acceptable, just it's mind-boggling to me.
Steve Deace:
Well, look at the current debate of whether to ban TikTok or not. The idea that we're going to ban TikTok to stop the Chinese from getting access to our data is laughable in the extreme. First of all, Google, Apple, almost every big tech company of consequence is a China simp. China's got all your data.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Amazon.
Steve Deace:
Yeah. They've got all your data already. Let me tell you why you ban TikTok, because the Chinese have used it as a successful psyop to put on display all kinds of demonic cultural rotgut that is infesting and infecting our own kids. And then the second problem is the destruction of the family. Our kids are largely detached from their peer group. Everything's done digitally, even little things like the stuff I will see even in our own family that our kids and other people's kids will say back and forth to each other on a text or Snapchat.
I mean the law of the jungle when we were growing up, if a guy says something like that to you, someone's missing some teeth, and the teacher will let it happen because they realize this conflict needs to be solved. If something's going to get serious, we'll step in. But we need to actually let them iron out this difference because you don't say stuff like that to people. You don't say stuff like that about people's moms, about their sisters. You don't post revenge porn of your girlfriends on Snapchat when you're 14. So that's why you ban a TikTok.
And then because of the detachment from their fellow students, families, I still have this Blaise Pascal hole in the heart. I still need affirmation. I need real relationship. I need unconditional love, and so this counterfeit version that gets offered on social media. You know what? I was showering in the locker room after PE class. I noticed some of the other boys' penises. I'm confused about what that means. I post that on TikTok. 50 people jump on. "It means you're gay. It means you're really a woman."
You're right. If I say, "No, I'm not gay," "What are you, a homophobe?" "Well, no, I don't want to be one of those." "Are you a transphobe?" "No, I don't want to be one of those. Well, maybe I'm trans." "Yes, you're trans, and you're great." Here comes the affirmation, and that substitutes for the affirmation you used to get from Mom, Dad, your priest, your pastor, your teacher, your coach, your aunts and uncles. Forget extended family. We don't have nuclear family.
So this digital world has stepped in as really a counterfeit substitute, and that's why we're beyond politics. You can see the conviction. This is a rival religion. This is a salvation construct, and it's salvation via the mob. If I please the mob, if I identify with what the mob tells me they want, then I'm good because the worst thing possible would be to go against the crowd.
You and I travel a lot in our jobs. Anybody ever walked up to you, Jenny Beth, and said, "Hi, I'm a member of the social media mob?"
Jenny Beth Martin:
No.
Steve Deace:
No. "Hi, I'm a member of the Twitter ratio committee. Nice to meet you. We ratioed your tweets to hell." No. No one knows who these people are. They might not even be people. Might be Chinese bots, Russian bots, North Korean bots. We don't know. But we are allowing them to govern the very fabric of our society right now, and that is frankly insane.
Jenny Beth Martin:
It is insane. I always, always encourage parents to make sure that if your kids are on social media, and let's face it, 99% of them are, that you can log in and see what they're seeing. I was able to do that with my kids, and my kids are, by and large, well-behaved, good kids. Of course, nobody's perfect, but they're good kids. They earned my trust, and they weren't out betraying my trust.
But I wanted to see what the algorithms were sending to them because I knew what they were going to see would be different than what I see because of all the other people that I'm following. Being able to see the things that were popping up in their feed helped me open up the conversation at the dinner table and talk about things that I may never have even considered talking about otherwise because I knew that they were getting this, like some of the trans and the homosexual type posts and influences from school.
We'd have very honest conversations about those things that they were experiencing. Some of it wasn't really fun. I'm divorced, so I'm having to have really frank conversations with both my son and my daughter, and it's not always easy for an adult to do that with their child. But I'd rather be the one doing that than someone else filling that void.
Steve Deace:
That last part of what you just said is so key is we are too comfortable being comfortable. Confrontation has become this dirty word. I mean I'm totally fine with aggressive confrontations, but I understand I'm a weirdo. There's a ministry on our show that we support called Pre-Born. What they do is they go to the streets. They find moms like my own. My mom was pregnant with me at 14, had me at 15.
They find that mom who's thinking about killing her kid and saying, "Hey, we just want to show you the sonogram. Listen to the heartbeat. Are you sure that's what you want to do?" That's a confrontation. They're gentle about it. But her conscience is trying to tell her, "Go forward. Do it. Do it. Do it." You're invading her conscience with a counter narrative. That is a confrontation. No matter how nice you say it, no matter what your temperament is, no matter how merciful you put it, that is still a confrontation.
I think we've got to get reintroduced to that term. What you just described is you had confrontations with your children. You invaded their space. You did it maybe more gently than I tend to do it, but you did it nevertheless. A confrontation is a perpendicular action. One stream of information's going down the road this way. A confrontation says, "We're going to hit you right here and just make sure we're going the right way before we get too far down the road."
I think there's not enough parents, and I want to say this in particular, men, not enough men. I sat in your chair during COVID during lockdowns, and I can't tell you how many videos I got from Christian moms who challenged the mask mandates all alone at the drugstore or their Costco. Invariably, the creepy guy in the mask would walk up and confront them and invade their space. I'm like, "Where are the men?" Because in any other generation, whether that's my sister or wife or not, I see another man invade a woman's space like that in public, I'm laying him out. That was the code.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Having experienced some of that from men, I talked to a couple of other girlfriends of mine and I just said, "What is it about these men? They think that they can just control us right now. They don't know me at all, and they think that they have the right to tell me what to do and that I must do it, or what? They're bigger than me. They might be liberal, and maybe they're not as burly as some other men, but they're still a man. They're more powerful than I am." That was one of the most bizarre things that I have experienced. It's-
Steve Deace:
That's the number one problem we have are the men. You can tell the direction of a culture by the condition of its men. Right now we've got a lot of sperm donors and boys who can shave. We have a lot of males. We don't have a lot of men. Men protect and defend. Protect, defend, and provide, those are the three primary roles, traits, characteristics, and requirements of manhood, protect, defend, and provide.
We don't have a lot of men that check all three of those boxes right now, and that's why tyranny prevails. Goliath sits in the valley of Elah and yells and bellows and mocks and scorns. Who is the David that will go into the valley and say, "Maybe all I've got are these five smooth stones, but I'm shutting you up?" We don't have a lot of that. So that's why it seems like we're outnumbered. We're not. We just have too many cowards.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Yeah. It's not fun to be the one stepping up and being counter to it all. In the last three years, there were often many, many times, except for when I was on airplanes, that I was not wearing the mask where I was mandated to wear it. I just decided this is my form of civil disobedience.
Steve Deace:
Amen. Yeah.
Jenny Beth Martin:
I've always said, "There are some things I'm willing to go to jail for and some things I'm not." I just decided this is one. Okay, fine. If they're going to take me away, then they're going to take me away, but I'm not leaving this on my face. If I'd walk into a business and they'd complain about it, I'd just walk out and not buy anything from them and go find a business that would allow me to shop there.
But I found that, in my experience, it was a lot more men who were telling me, "You need to have the mask on," than it was women. It wasn't women who were doing it. It was men. It was very weird to me to experience that. In Georgia, especially where I lived in Georgia, if I walked around in my grocery store without it on, I may have been one of the few people in the grocery store at the time who was not wearing one, but nobody ever gave me a hard time there. It's just in other parts of the country where I really experienced it.
Steve Deace:
Because there was a chain of evidence here. The lockdowns were conditioning for you to accept government provisions to have your life back. So the lockdowns were conditioning for masks. The mask was the symbol that you agreed that government directed whether you could have your life or not. So then that was to condition you to hand over your bodily autonomy, and that's where the jab that doesn't work ... It may have worked for like three weeks in May of 2021-
Jenny Beth Martin:
If you didn't get myocarditis from it and die.
Steve Deace:
If you didn't get myocarditis or lost hearing in your ear or anything else.
Jenny Beth Martin:
A stroke, yeah.
Steve Deace:
That was conditioned for you now, almost like a mark. I think I read in a book once about a mark that you couldn't buy or sell without taking. So now here's your mark. You can't buy or sell, which is what it means. If I don't have a job, I can't engage in commerce. You're telling me I cannot work at most companies of value in this country unless I take a jab that doesn't work and, when it's not working, may poison me. That was conditioning for you to completely hand over all your bodily autonomy now to the state.
So this thing was very systematic, and it's not a coincidence that these levels followed each other at different times because that was part of the conditioning in order for us to admit and acknowledge we're not really free anymore. I hear talk about going to war with China. Why? This is tough for me to say. We're an America, screw you child of the '80s kid. That's the era in which I grew in.
Jenny Beth Martin:
You have an Atari up there. I understand.
Steve Deace:
Yes. I got up in the middle of the night to watch Reagan bomb Libya to the Stone Age and cheered it on the whole way. So this is not in my MO to say this kind of stuff, but this is what they've done to me. Why would I want to go to war with China so that the really only thing we're fighting about is what language the social credit score is in? Most of my elites are either China simps or would like to turn America more into China.
So why would I have my 16-year-old son ... Because I'm going to be 50, I'm too old. Why would I have my 16-year-old son here in a couple of years enlist to go fight and die in a war with China where the only argument for our elites is whether we print the social credit score in Mandarin or we print it in English? What's the point of that battle?
Jenny Beth Martin:
I understand what you're saying. My father is a Methodist minister, and so I did not come from a military background. I was a PK. So instead of a military brat, I was a PK, pastor or preacher's kid.
Steve Deace:
Yeah, I get it. Yeah.
Jenny Beth Martin:
I have talked to so many people around the country in the last three years who are military families who have said, "I've told my son, 'Do not go. Do not go enlist right now.'" I cautioned my team about it before we started finding out that there were shortages in enrollment in the military. I said, "I think we're going to have trouble with this because I'm talking to so many people around the country, and they're just saying they're telling their sons not to go, 'Do not go enlist. Now that Biden is president, do not go enlist.'"
Sure enough, we now have trouble getting people to enroll, and the military is not hitting the metrics they're supposed to hit. But why would they? They're willing to risk your life over a shot that if you don't get it, you might get sick and, at your age, you're not going to die from it unless you have some bizarre, very weird preexisting condition, which you wouldn't have been in the military with. You wouldn't have passed to be in the military if you had something like that in the first place.
So you're not going to die from it. I'm not saying you won't get sick, but you're not going to die. So we're going to risk your life and your future fertility on this drug that we have no idea what the mid-term and long-term consequences are, and they lied about what the short-term consequences are, to fight for a country where we can't even admit what a man is and what a woman is. I understand where that thinking is coming from.
It's alarming to me because I want us to be able to defend our country. I want us to have the right kind of people in our military, and I want it to be a country worth defending.
Steve Deace:
There is a certain edge a man has to have to be willing to take someone else's life on a whim or a command or at a moment's notice. That instinct comes from one of two places. I either love life, so I'm willing to do whatever it takes to defend it, or I just like killing. When you remove the virtue and value of what military service means or service to the country means, when you wokeify it, when you trans it, when you rainbow jihad it, whether purposefully or not, you tend to drive away the kind of man who is on a razor's edge, but it's because he's zealous to defend life.
He's like, "That's not my cause. I'm backing away from that. That's not my fight." You tend to only drag in the kind of guy who just says, "I just like the killing. So hey, you want me to turn the gun on my fellow citizens? Cool. You want me to shoot Chinese people? Cool. You want me to shoot Iranians? Cool. You want me to shoot the Tea Party Patriots because they didn't want to take the jab mandate and they teach their kids that there's only two genders? Cool. I just like the actual act of doing that."
That's one of the things I see is so many of our institutions have been turned against the American people and weaponized against them. I think on the right, because many of these institutions were founded by remnants of our worldview or the things we're trying to conserve or heroes of history that we are trying to emulate, we have been very slow to coming around to acknowledging this realization. I think we have to have a real long conversation about just blindly giving the military ... Every budget negotiation is won now by, well, we got more military spending.
I mean I don't know. Why would I want to muscle up a military for a government that views me as a higher value target than human traffickers that are coming across the southern border? I mean I'm totally fine muscling up a military that wants to go to destroy the Mexican drug cartels. I'm not really all that fun weaponizing a military who thinks that I should be on a watch list.
Jenny Beth Martin:
With some people, there can be no discussion about any cuts whatsoever to the military, which means that all the woke things that they're teaching, all of the trans, everything bad that they're teaching, we're just going to continue to fund it. There's not even any question. We're not going to say, "Well, at least let's look into what's worth keeping and what's not worth keeping." They don't even want to have that conversation at all.
Steve Deace:
The bottom line is, on the right, we have to see ... I get concerned. There's two things that I'm the most concerned about on the right more than anything else. Number one, all the real conviction is on the left. At the time you and I are talking, there is one state senator in Nebraska who is trying to shut down the entire legislature because they're going to ban the Island of Dr. Moreau meatball surgeries on kids. That's her issue.
That's the issue where she's like, "I'll filibuster. We won't feed the poor. We won't provide healthcare. We won't fund the schools. We'll do nothing. If you're going to take away that we can mutilate children, I'll shut the whole government down." I think that's crazy. I think that's insane. But I also can sense she means it. There's a conviction there that we don't have.
I am concerned the level of zealotry it takes to say, "I'm going to go to this library down the street from where you live and your church, and I'm going to expose my hairy nether regions and genitals to the children here. I'm going to do it right in your face and right on camera because you're not going to do anything about it." That's the level of conviction people with our beliefs used to have that conviction. We don't anymore.
The other thing I think we have to come to grips with, too, is nostalgia is paralyzing. We can't be like what the leftists used to be, where they were engaged in magical thinking, seeing the world for how they wanted it to be, not what it really was. These institutions may bear our namesakes. They may have illusions in the past to where they came from. They're not our institutions anymore.
Jenny Beth Martin:
No.
Steve Deace:
I think we generationally have to accept this and see America for what it is, not what we want it to be.
Jenny Beth Martin:
I think that it is easier for some of us to do that than others. Partly, it's easier for me to do it because the government was weaponized against me. The IRS targeted Tea Party and patriots. We are Tea Party Patriots, so we were targeted. I watched so many people come up to me over the years with paper from the government saying, "I'm being audited. I think it's because I donated to you or I posted something about you," or whatever it might have been. That made me realize the government can be used against me.
And then we've seen it so much more, watching what's happened with people who were in DC on January 6th and the way that the government has been used against so many people who, with the evidence that we've seen, had no business ... Perhaps they committed a misdemeanor, and they must be held accountable if they broke the law. I understand that. But they should have-
Steve Deace:
Yeah. Why is anybody that didn't commit a violent act still being indefinitely detained, period?
Jenny Beth Martin:
Yeah. Why are they not out? Why are they not out? If the government has 10 different people who are informants and they're going after five, but they've got 10 different informants, as apparently is the case right now with Proud Boys when this airs. There may be more information that we learn from that. But it's craziness. It's absolute craziness.
I went to New York at one point in 2021. I had to go for a few meetings, and I could not eat anywhere. I couldn't even go inside to go to the bathroom because I didn't have my vaccine passport.
Steve Deace:
You didn't have your totem.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Even if I had had the shot, that's my own ... It's a decision between my healthcare provider. It's nobody else's business. I shouldn't be having to show you what I've done with my body for you to let me use the bathroom. There was a bathroom available in Central Park. We just sat in Central Park. I didn't eat. I went between meetings, and I sat in Central Park, opened up my computer, connected to my hotspot.
Finally, I got back to the airport where you didn't have to have any of that stuff, and I could eat again. So the whole thing was a charade because they weren't serious. If they were serious, you wouldn't have been able to do all that-
Steve Deace:
They were only serious about the compliance, not the policy.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Yeah, it was the compliance. It didn't matter how many people were passing through the airport and being physically close to other people who lived in New York. It was all compliance. But when you see that that is what the greatest city in the world is willing to do to us, yeah, I don't have trouble stepping away and going, "We've got major problems now."
Steve Deace:
Think of the level of conviction it takes to impose that on people, though.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Yes.
Steve Deace:
You don't do those things on a lark. You do them because you really believe them. Maybe this is where we have a generational advantage. You and I are both Gen Xers. The era of the silent majority is over. It is not 1984. If it is, it's not in the context that we think it is. It's an Orwellian one.
We have to understand that it's going to require more than voting, the old paradigm of let me go home, work all day as hard as I can, see my kids, watch Fox News all night, get my download, and vote Republican to save America every four or six years or two years, depending on the office. This is going to take a level of commitment way beyond that because the level of conviction we are up against to be willing to impose these kinds of things you just described on people takes a level of conviction that right now, Jenny Beth, we don't have. We're going to have to up our game where that is concerned, otherwise, things will only get worse from here.
Jenny Beth Martin:
I think that's right. There are people in the country who have stepped up, and they've been willing to sacrifice everything in order to expose what is true.
Steve Deace:
Like the afore mentioned, Peter McCullough you mentioned, for example.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Yes. I think that that is very, very good. And then we've had parents who've stepped up, hairdressers who wound up doing things that they never would have even imagined that they would have to do. So we've had Americans who have stepped up. Governor Kemp in Georgia opened Georgia before any other state, and he was ridiculed and mocked for doing it. He just said, "I'm not going to let people starve, and I'm not going to let them go bankrupt." I was like, "Yeah, you're talking my language."
We've watched other governors, like DeSantis and Kristi Noem. We just have to make sure we are learning from those examples and doing everything we can, as you've described, making red places even redder-
Steve Deace:
Amen.
Jenny Beth Martin:
... and showing the difference for what can be versus what exists in places like California and New York and Seattle.
Steve Deace:
Amen.
Jenny Beth Martin:
Well, thank you very much for this really good discussion, Steve.
Steve Deace:
You bet. You bet. Thanks for coming out here. It was good to meet you.
Jenny Beth Martin:
It's good to meet you. Nefarious, everyone's got to go watch that. It's going to be in theaters on April 14th.
Steve Deace:
April 14th. You can preorder tickets now at whoisnefarious.com, and a list of theaters around the country will be there. You can order tickets right now there as well, whoisnefarious.com. See the trailer, the poster, all that cool stuff.
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