In this episode of The Jenny Beth Show, Becky Arps and Paul Jacob from OnlyCitizens.Vote discuss the growing movement to ensure only U.S. citizens have the right to vote in local, state, and federal elections. They explore the push for constitutional amendments in multiple states, highlighting the risks of non-citizen voting, and the bipartisan support for protecting election integrity. With initiatives on the ballot in key swing states, Arps and Jacob explain how these amendments aim to safeguard the voting process and preserve American citizenship. Tune in to learn more about how you can get involved in this crucial effort.
In this episode of The Jenny Beth Show, Becky Arps and Paul Jacob from OnlyCitizens.Vote discuss the growing movement to ensure only U.S. citizens have the right to vote in local, state, and federal elections. They explore the push for constitutional amendments in multiple states, highlighting the risks of non-citizen voting, and the bipartisan support for protecting election integrity. With initiatives on the ballot in key swing states, Arps and Jacob explain how these amendments aim to safeguard the voting process and preserve American citizenship. Tune in to learn more about how you can get involved in this crucial effort.
Website: https://onlycitizens.vote/
Paul Jacobs (00:00):
But Kamala Harris has in effect announced her position and she has spoken out through the administration's official communication on Washington DC and they spoke out in favor of non-citizens voting, including non-citizens in the country, illegally
Narrator (00:21):
Keeping. Our Republic is on the line, and it requires Patriots with great passion, dedication, and eternal vigilance to preserve our freedoms. Jenny Beth Martin is the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots. She's an author of filmmaker and one of time magazine's most influential people in the world. But the title she is most proud of is Mom to Her Boy, girl Twins. She has been at the forefront fighting to protect America's core principles for more than a decade. Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:52):
This week is Only Citizens Voting Week. And to get more information and action items that you can take to engage in this issue, go to only citizens vote coalition.com. In today's episode, we have Paul Jacobs and Becky Arps, who have been engaged in this issue since 2018. You can check out their work at Only Citizens Vote, only Citizens Vote. They're working to get amendments to state constitutions that say only citizens shall vote in those elections within a state. Let's hear what they have to say and learn how you can get involved with these state initiatives. Hall and Becky, thanks so much for joining me today. I'm really glad to have you.
Paul Jacobs (01:36):
Oh, it's our pleasure. Yes, definitely.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:39):
So you are working on making it where citizen only voting becomes either an amendment to state constitutions or passes through the ballot initiative process. Tell me a little bit about what you're doing with that and why you decided to get involved in citizen only voting.
Paul Jacobs (02:03):
Well, years ago, 2018, we helped put a measure on the ballot in North Dakota. A friend had come to me with this idea, I didn't dream it up and talked about having a national constitutional amendment that would set it, that only citizens are eligible voters. And knowing the dysfunction at the national level, I thought, that's not going to go anywhere. I thought we should try it at the state level we did in North Dakota in 2018. It was late in the cycle, and that was the state that we could still do something in. It won big two to one, and then we've worked to put him on the ballot via ballot initiative, getting petitions signed by voters. We've worked to put 'em on the ballot through state legislatures. There were three states, Florida and Colorado that passed them in 2022 more states in 2022, Ohio and Louisiana.
Paul Jacobs (03:10):
And this issue, I think when we first discussed it with people, especially in 20 18, 20 19, 20 20, they would say, really, is this really happening? And of course, there were already a dozen states that had done it in Vermont, in Maryland, and San Francisco did it in 2016. So it was already happening, but people didn't really know about it. They've been very quiet in moving these forward. And when New York City did it, that really opened it up, we're talking 800,000 to a million non-citizens who would be eligible. That measure is still in court and we'll see whether it ever takes effect. But then that was followed by Washington DC doing it. And in Washington's version, you can be in the country illegally. In fact, it is just so completely ridiculously drafted. And now the law that the Chinese ambassador to the US could literally register to vote and decide mayoral and ballot measure issues in Washington DC you can't vote in China, but he could vote in Washington dc It's ludicrous.
Paul Jacobs (04:31):
And so people have been waking up to this. We've been doing our best to wake 'em up to it. And this year we have eight states on the ballot. It would take the number of states that have citizen only voting amendments to 20 if we win them all. And I think we have a good shot to win them all because I think the public's overwhelmingly on our side. And to me the importance of these ballot measures is that so often there are issues that really rile up the American people, and there's very little they can do about it. They can elect this person or that person, but then it goes to Washington or their state capital and they feel like they lose control of it. In these eight states where 42 million Americans live, they're going to decide the issue. And it doesn't, nothing's ever final in politics, but I think the first key step is to make sure that our Constitution say only citizens of the United States can vote. And then of course there's always the challenge of enforcing it and so on. But to enable the public to weigh in and make that determination to me is critical in solving the problem of non-citizens voting legally in so many cities. And they keep pushing another city. Santa and California will be on the ballot this November. So it is largely at the local level with very liberal cities. And it seems to me that we want to put this decision to the public as a whole and let's decide it.
Jenny Beth Martin (06:13):
So when these happen in the eight seats that you're working on, are they initiatives or the amendments to the Constitution, or is it just depends on the state?
Paul Jacobs (06:26):
Well, in these eight states, legislatures put an amendment to the Constitution. But in the other states where we've been involved, some of them have been by initiative, but there's still initiative constitutional amendments, and it's critical that we put this in the Constitution. A number of states, for instance, North Carolina has this on the ballot and they have a law that says only citizens can vote. We want it in the Constitution. And the reason is very simple. If it's in the Constitution, it cannot be changed except by going back to the voters. If it's not in the Constitution, it could be changed in a single day. And there's been a partisan divide, not in the public, the Democrats, Republicans, independents, all like the idea of making clear that only citizens should be voting. But when it comes to state legislatures, it's been a real stark divide. There've been some great states like Iowa where every Democrat, every Republican in the legislature voted for it and put it on the ballot.
Paul Jacobs (07:37):
But in other states, Georgia, every Democrat voted against it and blocked it from going on the ballot. Texas, it passed 29 to one in the Senate, and then 58 Democrats in the house voted present to block it. So they didn't have the courage to vote no, but they didn't want it to happen. And of course, all the places where it is happening is are very liberal cities. And when Washington DC did it, it went to the Congress because in the constitution, the Congress has responsibility for Washington DC and the House took it up and voted down the change, allowing non-citizens, including illegal non-citizens to vote. 52 Democrats joined Republicans to do that. But once it went to the Senate where Democrats control it went nowhere. Not a single Democrat senator lifted a finger to do anything about noncitizens, including noncitizens here, illegally voting.
Becky Arps (08:43):
The interesting part is in both New York City and in Washington DC the mayor needed to sign off on it or the mayor had the opportunity to sign off on it. And in both cities, the mayor chose not to sign off on it. Wow. They didn't stop it, but they didn't help it.
Jenny Beth Martin (09:01):
Very interesting, because the mayor probably realizes that it can be harmful to the mayor later if they want to get reelected.
Becky Arps (09:10):
Definitely possible,
Paul Jacobs (09:12):
Yes. And for instance, in New York, we did a poll. We knew they were going to be voting, and the week before that vote was going to happen the weekend we did a poll in New York City and found that better than two to one, they opposed non-citizens being given the vote. And yet when it went to their city council, they voted overwhelmingly in favor of it. In Washington DC there was only one discordant vote on the whole council. They unanimously were pushing it, and yet Muriel Bowser, the mayor, wouldn't sign onto it. And I think it's because she realized in the statewide a citywide election, it would be an albatross around her neck.
Jenny Beth Martin (09:59):
So explain exactly what it is that is in the initiative, and we kind of jumped right in without explaining exactly what it is. And then how do you explain further how you overcome the objections or that knee-jerk reaction that people think, well, isn't it already illegal?
Paul Jacobs (10:21):
Well, what we are doing, most state constitutions say that every US citizen who's 18 years old and hasn't lost their right to vote because of crime or having some sort of disorder, it says every US citizen is an eligible voter, or all US citizens are eligible voters. And I think most people have taken that or intended that to say, that's who can vote. And if you're not a US citizen, you cannot. However, in California and in Vermont where they've done this, the courts have upheld these local measures allowing non-citizens to vote with that same language. And specifically in the California case, the city of San Francisco said, if the people who drafted the constitution wanted to say only citizens, they should have said only citizens. That every citizen is a floor meaning, okay, every citizen has that, right? So could other people. And so by saying only we make that very clear.
Paul Jacobs (11:33):
And in fact, the California Supreme Court or Court of Appeals, that's where it ended. They agreed with that analysis. And so they said, look, we have to say only to make it clear. And that's exactly what citizens in eight states have a chance to do. And the reason it's important is because in many states and states are different, and exactly how it works is slightly different. But if you don't have only US citizens voting in your constitution, cities in the state that have home rule can change and allow non-citizens to vote. That's what's happened in San Francisco and Oakland, California. That's what's happened in Vermont and in Maryland. So you really need to make this change. And in some of these states, obviously non-citizens are not legally voting yet, but we want to remove the possibility of that happening and basically in the most liberal cities getting their nose under the tent.
Paul Jacobs (12:41):
And the best way to do that is to inform the public, let's put it on the ballot. Let's have a debate and then let's do it. And in that debate, so often the other side says, this is totally unnecessary. And sometimes they'll say that it's already illegal for non-citizens to vote in federal elections. And of course, we're not talking about just federal elections, we're talking about state and local elections. And so their whole push is, we really don't need this. Well, that's not an argument against it. There's nothing wrong with it. Now, sometimes they will try to also make arguments that somehow this is anti-immigrant, that it's really we're just against foreigners coming to the us. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our president, Abby McCullough, happens to be a naturalized citizen. She came over as a kid from Brazil and she had to work to get her citizenship and tells a great story about how important it is to have that citizenship process.
Paul Jacobs (13:51):
So this is supported by people across the spectrum. It's supported by every minority group. Folks who are here from other countries who are immigrants, understand that you just don't waltz in and you get the vote, especially if you're here illegally. They believe in the system, they believe in this country, and they believe in the importance of citizenship. And I think at the core of this is I think there are folks around the country who'd like to minimize the importance of American citizenship to devalue it. And if you talk to immigrants, they don't want to devalue American citizenship and they believe only citizens should be voting.
Jenny Beth Martin (14:42):
Becky, what is it that you see? What kind of arguments do you guys see that work to help convince to make these initiatives or ballot amendments possible?
Becky Arps (14:57):
So a lot of times it's convincing them of the fact that it could actually happen in their state. Because a lot of times we'll say, oh, well, this will never happen here. Or a super red state. In fact, we just had that conversation multiple times in North Carolina. The legislature kept saying, well, this won't happen here. And it's just like, okay, so say Raleigh, which very has a lot of different people from different countries living there. Say, Raleigh decides to allow non-citizens to vote. How are you going to stop them? Oh, well, we'll just call the legislature in session. So you're now going to try to meet with them and say, or to stop this once they start it. So you're going to take away somebody's vote, which nobody really wants to take away somebody's vote, especially after they've been granted it. Or the other option is, well, we're a super red state right now, so it's never going to happen in our state.
Becky Arps (16:02):
And then it's okay, I recognize that and I hope that that is forever true, but someday you are not going to be in the legislature and maybe this legislature won't be as conservative as it is right now. So let's take care of it now while we can, as opposed to waiting until it becomes a big problem. And generally with those arguments in mind, they agree because ultimately they're like, yeah, nobody should be not a citizen and voting in our elections, I mean, shoot, the actor Canadian actor, Ryan Reynolds became a US citizen because he wanted to be able to vote and he knew that was important. So if Ryan Reynolds can get it, then why can't everyone else?
Paul Jacobs (16:54):
And Jenny Beth, the best argument and the thing that I think has moved legislators the most is the massive support among the public. When this has become a public issue and voters find out about it, they contact their legislators. And so this, it's an 80 20 issue. It's won in blue states and in red states. And so part of the reason I think these are on the ballot in eight states is because legislators in those states knew the voters want a chance to weigh in on this.
Jenny Beth Martin (17:35):
And the initiatives say only citizens can vote. Does it do anything about requiring proof of citizenship to vote or would that then become a function of the legislature?
Paul Jacobs (17:49):
Well, that would be something that you then have to work to make sure that people are showing and demonstrating that they're a citizen when they register to vote. And of course, one state that's done that there are several states that have been checking to make sure, checking their roles to make sure noncitizens aren't on them, and finding that non-citizens are on the registration roles. So there's that aspect of it. But the key it seems to me is to get these past and then move to require people to register to vote to prove it. No one's going to go back and require millions of people who are already registered to vote to go down and show id. But one state that has done this as you're well aware, is Arizona. And Arizona requires proof of citizenship to register to vote. They were taken to court, and the court basically ruled that because the federal form, and this is what the save act as you well know, is all about.
Paul Jacobs (18:58):
The federal form allows people to simply check a box and say, I am a citizen and to register to vote. And so in Arizona, people who can't prove that their citizens are not able to vote in state and local elections, but they can get on this federal only voting list, which is just absurd and vote in federal elections. So when you read articles, which I read all the time about this issue, and they in essence say, well, this is already taken care of at the federal level. It is the law that you have to be a US citizen to vote, but there is no enforcement. In fact, there is an attempt by the federal government to stop the states from enforcing what is the law. So we think it's critical that people take a couple of seconds to consider this, and when they do, they want to make it the law. Let's put it in state constitutions. The states are the laboratories of democracy. It's where the voting process in the federal constitution, they give that to the states to determine. And so it's really critical that we take the bull by the horns and set the policy only citizens vote at all levels.
Jenny Beth Martin (20:21):
The thing in Arizona is one of the most disturbing things to me that I found when I'm looking into, when I research election integrity issues. Well, there are a lot of things actually that are very disturbing about it, but this one is very disturbing because you realize that they've got two different ballots. So you've got the full ballot for federal elections, meaning President, Senate, Congress, and then it also includes the state and local elections all on one ballot. And then they have another ballot with just presidents Senate and Congress. And when I heard that, I just was so shocked by it. I had no idea. And I think that actually the Supreme Court ruled the way that it should have. The federal government is not doing things properly. We need to square the law and get the law. And so now it's time to get that right. But man, it's just, it's craziness how messed up this is. And the loopholes are being exploited. I don't know that they're being exploited on a massive scale, but if you've got an election that is decided by just a few hundred or a couple thousand votes statewide, these kind of issues can make a real difference in the election.
Paul Jacobs (21:43):
So true.
Jenny Beth Martin (21:45):
So which you said eight states, which states are on the ballot. And Becky, you've worked, I know you've given me some updates about that as well. So which states and what are the initiatives on each of those states ballots?
Paul Jacobs (22:01):
Well, let me roll through 'em. Iowa, Idaho, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Wisconsin and polls show in each of those states that these are wildly popular. I think that they may make a difference in getting voters to focus on this issue. Could certainly have some collateral benefit or damage at the US Senate level, at the presidential level for governor and state legislature. And of course, North Carolina and Wisconsin are key swing states. So it'll be interesting to see here in the next what, 54 days, how that plays out. But I note that Kamala Harris is from San Francisco where non-citizens are today voting and including non-citizens who are in the country illegally. And that the Harris Biden or Biden Harris, however you want to say it, administration weighed to urge Congress not to stop DC's non-citizen voting law. So I don't know that Donald Trump has ever announced what his position on this is. And in part that may be because I think everybody knows what Donald Trump's position is on this, but Kamala Harris has in effect announced her position. I don't know that she's ever spoken out about San Francisco, but since they did it, you'd kind of hope that she'd speak out against it. And she has spoken out through the administration's official communication on Washington DC and they spoke out in favor of non-citizens voting, including non-citizens in the country illegally.
Jenny Beth Martin (24:03):
It is just unbelievable really when you think about it. I just think this is the one thing that sets us apart from non-citizens and that in a United States passport, those two, two set you apart from a non-citizen. Once you're in this country, we protect your rights. You wind up still being able to qualify for many of the federal programs that spend money on you. But this is the one thing that distinguishes citizens from non-citizens and a non has a much different allegiance. And also just understanding of how our government works to become a citizen. You have to understand a little bit about our history and a little bit more about our country. And I think I know that 87% of Americans think you should be a citizen to vote in our elections.
Paul Jacobs (25:01):
No, that's exactly right. And in essence, this is something that unites the country because it's a foundational concept that literally, as you point out, 87% of the people agree it's only really on the far left that they have pushed this and they've pushed it very quietly and in a few cities. And Becky and I were laughing a few weeks ago because there was an article out of Dallas where they're talking about trying to push this again, they were going to allow non-citizens on commissions and different governmental bodies. And it was put to a vote years ago, and Becky will probably know the exact year, but it was defeated. And then they're talking about bringing it back. And in the article one of them mentioned they did a poll. They found that almost 20% of the people were in favor, meaning 80% plus of the people were opposed. And they took that as a sign that maybe they should move ahead. I mean, just you can't make this stuff up
Becky Arps (26:12):
When they said more than one in four people support this, and that means that three don't.
Jenny Beth Martin (26:21):
Wow, that is crazy. It means three out of four people don't want it. Why are you doing one, almost one out of four wants?
Becky Arps (26:32):
And just four years ago, they voted on it. So part of what they do, and they've done this in several different cities, is they'll put it to a vote and it fails and they're just like, well, we just need to do better education. People just need to understand this better. Something that's really fascinating is there's a handful of cities in Massachusetts that have voted either through their city councils or through an actual vote of the residents of the city to allow non-citizens to vote. But in Massachusetts, it has to be approved by the legislature, and the legislature won't pick it up in a state as liberal as Massachusetts. They recognize the problem
Jenny Beth Martin (27:21):
Is good that at least Massachusetts, I will applaud the left when they do the right thing and applaud liberals when they do the right thing. And I'm glad they're not doing that. So it's good that they're not taking that up. It's unreal that they're trying to do this in Dallas again four years later. I guess that's part of the reason why making it a constitutional amendment winds up becoming so important because when you make it that constitutional amendment, then it's locked into the state's constitution.
Paul Jacobs (27:53):
And the neat thing is how is it locked in the Constitution if the people ever changed their minds, well, it could be changed really quickly, but the beauty of it being in the Constitution is the people have to change their minds. A change of administration, a change of who controls the legislature. That doesn't allow Democrats in some state to change the rules like this. They have to go back to the voters. And look, voters aren't always right, but they're sure right? A lot more than politicians are. So these legislatures who've done this, and many of them have made it very clear, we are not setting this policy. We are giving the people a chance to set this policy.
Becky Arps (28:46):
It was so frustrating in New York City because like Paul had mentioned earlier, as the New York City council was passing it, we ran a poll and the people of New York City didn't want this,
Jenny Beth Martin (28:59):
And they passed it anyway. And what did your poll show? What was the percentage of people in New York who don't want it? Probably about three and a half out of every four.
Paul Jacobs (29:09):
Well, there was a decent undecided, but I believe, and I'm usually good with numbers, but I think it was 62% against and 19% four and the rest undecided. So from the people who had made up their mind, it was literally three to one against what the council then did.
Jenny Beth Martin (29:32):
That is crazy. So how can people get more information and what can they do to help inform their friends and family and neighbors and voters in these eight states? What is helpful for the people listening to do for you?
Paul Jacobs (29:49):
If they will go to our website only citizens.vote, we have a form there where they can sign up to say, yes, I'm on board. Only citizens should be voting. We will send them material. Anybody who signs up at present, we will send them a only citizens vote bumper sticker. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. But one of the keys is to talk about this and because so often we've run advertisements that say hard to believe, but true because people are skeptical that this could even be happening. And there's been all kinds of discussion about with chaos at the border and millions coming in about non-citizens voting illegally, and there's lots of disagreement about how serious it is. I would argue that anybody voting illegally is pretty serious and we should do everything we can to prevent it. But this issue really shows that this idea that we're just going to dismiss this is crazy because we can document without any doubt that there is city after city, liberal cities, big cities that are trying to change it to where non-citizens can vote.
Paul Jacobs (31:10):
And the only way to get that message out a lot of times is by word of mouth because the mainstream media constantly wants to poo-pooed this issue and pretend that it's not happening. And they can try to pretend when it comes to illegal voting by non-citizens, but they can't pretend when it comes to legal voting because it's happening in 19 cities in four states. There were other cities like Boston where they're bringing it up. Santa Ana, California has it on the ballot this November. And just to go on a tangent for a moment, in Santa Ana, they had a ballot title that said Non-citizens, including parents, and I can't remember what the other term was, but it was literally in the ballot title. They're arguing that these are really nice people. And a court said, no, that's not legitimate. You have to change that ballot title.
Paul Jacobs (32:12):
You can't make positive arguments in the ballot title. And the city initially refused they were going to put it up the way they had it, and the court kind of insisted that they actually give people a fair ballot title. Well, why would they do that? They would do that because they know the public is generally very much opposed to this idea of giving the vote to non-citizens. And remember, of the 19 that are doing this, more than three fourths of them allow non-citizens in the country illegally to vote. Now, how do people have trust in elections if you are allowing people who aren't even legally in the country to cast ballots where people can come to our website, citizen only citizens vote? Let me say it again since I messed it up. Only citizens vote. We have a petition people can sign to say, yes, I'm in favor of only citizens voting.
Paul Jacobs (33:15):
I oppose noncitizens voting. And if people sign up today on our website, we'll send each and every one of 'em a bumper sticker that says Only citizens vote. Our message is very clear and simple and straightforward. And that's I think, a key way that people all over the country can get involved in these eight states that we rattled off earlier, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Wisconsin. You have a measure on your ballot this November. And it's critical in those states and in other states that we talk about this with our neighbors because the mainstream media poo-poos this, that it's not happening.
Paul Jacobs (34:08):
They're fixated on illegal non-citizen voting and debating that and saying, that's really not any problem. And of course my view is if anybody is voting illegally, that's a problem. We can argue about how significant, but it's a problem and we ought to try to solve it. But what we are talking about are non-citizens voting legally, and a lot of these left wing cities trying to push this as a new right, that people who were in the country illegally have some right to vote. I think it's critical that we talk about it because the mainstream media pretends it's not happening, and they can pretend on some of it. They can't pretend in these 19 cities, 19 cities today are allowing non-citizens to vote more than three fourths of those cities allow non-citizens in the country illegally to vote. That's how you can have fair and transparent elections when you're allowing people who are undocumented, who are in the country illegally to vote is beyond me. And of course, that's why more 80% of the American people oppose it.
Becky Arps (35:27):
And frankly, it's not fair to those non-citizens because if they accidentally get the wrong ballot, then their opportunity to become a citizen is put in jeopardy. And while they'll say it's fair and engaging them, it's really not fair to the non-citizen that they're putting at risk.
Jenny Beth Martin (35:48):
Right? You put them in jeopardy, not just of being able to become a citizen, but potentially of even being allowed to stay in the country. So it's not fair at all, not even a little bit. And being able to decipher and make sure that the people who are citizens have the ballot that has the federal elections and the ones who aren't citizens don't. It becomes very confusing and it makes the election results take even longer and it puts the outcome of elections. It creates a little bit of doubt and a little bit of question. So all the way around it is not good. It isn't good for the non-citizens, it's not good for citizens, and it's also not good for the integrity of the elections and faith in the outcome of elections
Paul Jacobs (36:42):
And the whole concept of citizenship around the world. So many people in America want to beat up on America, but around the world, the gold standard is American citizenship. And I think that at least among some folks, the non-citizen voting push is an attempt to undermine citizenship because it is the key thing that separates citizens from non-citizens. And again, we don't say this because we're somehow don't like non-citizens. I love people all over the world. I like immigration. I think it's great that, I mean, we are a country of immigrants and we will continue to be a country of immigrants, but it's pretty simple. Come become a citizen, join. If you're going to vote on family matters, you have to join the family. And that's just common sense, and that's really what we're talking about
Becky Arps (37:40):
Before I got involved. One of my closest friends is English. She hasn't become a citizen. And I talked to her about what I was getting involved in and was she okay with this and was this going to cause a problem? And she's just like, I would never think of voting here until I become a citizen,
Jenny Beth Martin (38:03):
Even non-citizens understand. So it isn't that difficult. It should not be controversial, and I'm so glad that both of you are working on this issue, and I'm very hopeful that this passes in the eight states. And then we will have to have you come back early next year in 2025 and talk about the other seats you might be expanding into to continue this effort working to get it on the ballot and even more seats going forward.
Paul Jacobs (38:32):
We'd love to do that.
Becky Arps (38:34):
Absolutely.
Jenny Beth Martin (38:35):
Thanks so much for joining me today, Paul and Becky. Thank you
Paul Jacobs (38:39):
For having us. Thank you, Jenny Beth.
Narrator (38:40):
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