Jenny Beth sits down with Arizona State Senator Jake Hoffman, who is also a freedom activist and entrepreneur. Jake explains how he is fighting the culture wars through activism, legislation, and commerce.
Jenny Beth sits down with Arizona State Senator Jake Hoffman, who is also a freedom activist and entrepreneur. Jake explains how he is fighting the culture wars through activism, legislation, and commerce.
Twitter: @JakeHoffmanAZ @AZFreedomCaucus @JennyBethM
Jake Hoffman (00:00):
Right now we are engaged in a full out battle.
Narrator (00:03):
With regards to the American Library
Jake Hoffman (00:05):
Association, the a l A hired a self-described Marxist lesbian who is trying to usher in, and I'm quoting here, the queering of America's youth through the library system,
Narrator (00:19):
Keeping our republic is on the line and it requires Patriots with great passion, dedication, and eternal vigilance to preserve our freedoms. Jenny Beth Martin is the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots. She's an author, a filmmaker, and one of time magazine's most influential people in the world. But the title she is most proud of is Mom To Her Boy, girl Twins. She has been at the forefront fighting to protect America's core principles for more than a decade. Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:51):
Arizona Stet. Senator Jake Hoffman is my next guest, and he is a rockstar. He was encouraged to run for school board by his wife in 2012 and after some major issues in two and a half weeks of counting ballots, he was finally declared the winner by less than a hundred votes. That district was in Maricopa County, by the way, while serving on the school board. He's pushed for transparency led to actual accountability for a corrupt district superintendent. Then during the Covid Lockdowns in 2020, Jake was serving on a town council where he sounded the alarm against Covid Tyranny when town staffers decided to fill a local skate park with sand to keep people from using it. Jake fought back until the town manager reversed the decision. He received great praise for standing up for people's rights. He went on to serve in the Arizona State House and is now serving as his state senator where he founded the Arizona Freedom Caucus. Jake is a true freedom fighter. Jake, thank you so much for joining me today.
Jake Hoffman (01:57):
Of course,
Jenny Beth Martin (01:58):
You are elected in the Arizona legislature and you started the equivalent of the House Freedom Caucus here, right? Tell me about that.
Jake Hoffman (02:06):
That's right. So about two and a half years ago, a number of legislators from across the country were sitting down in Washington DC in the Trump Hotel, and we had a conversation that we all know Washington DC is epically broken. It hasn't balanced its budget since what the early two thousands, late nineties. It's not going to be the answer to our nation's problems. And if we look at the federalist form of government that our founders created, the states are really those Petri dishes for freedom and for exploration and for sound policy. And so what we did is we said the House Freedom Caucus is holding down the fight, holding down the battle when it comes to Washington dc We need to export that to the states. What most people don't realize is that there is the same level of systemic brokenness that exists in DC exists in all 50 state capitals. The lobbyists run the joint, the establishment and the uni party run amuck. And so we have to have conservative fighters who band together and are willing to stand in the gap and fight those interests that really aren't conflict with the interests of the people of those states and of the American people at large.
Jenny Beth Martin (03:13):
So you've got the Freedom Caucus in Arizona, and how many other state freedom caucuses are there?
Jake Hoffman (03:20):
Well, the State Freedom Caucus Network, which is run by Andy Roth, so former club for growth, and then Justin Wame, who was the executive director of the House Freedom Caucus for a number of years. The State Freedom Caucus Network now consists of 11 Freedom Caucus. So that's states like Louisiana, we've got Wyoming, we've got Montana, we've got Idaho, obviously Arizona, South Carolina, and a number of other states as well. And these state freedom caucuses are really, they are leading the fight right now. We are engaged in a full out battle with regards to the American Library Association, the A l A hired a self-described Marxist lesbian who is trying to usher in, and I'm quoting here, the queering of America's youth through the library system. They're right now actively coaching librarians all across the country how to secretly and subversively deny Kirk Cameron, who's trying to do common sense story hours, real good American traditional story hours, not these sexualized drag queen stuff, but they're actually trying to orchestrate, denying them access to libraries that are taxpayer funded.
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And so the Arizona Freedom Caucus and all of the other state freedom caucuses are leading the fight on that. And we've seen that time and time again. Just a few months ago, we actually saw an incredible kind of groundswell, if you will, against a provision in what's called the Uniform Commercial Code. Now, this is so boring for most of your listeners, but it's so incredibly important because buried in 113 page bill that was exported to all 50 states was one provision that was less than a full sentence long. So out of 113 pages, it was about nine words, and what it would've done is preemptively ban cryptocurrency like Bitcoin and also preemptively authorize Joe Biden's Central Bank digital currency. Now, they tried to slip this in and pull it over everybody's eyes, but thankfully a member of the South Dakota Freedom Caucus actually was red bulling and reading all of the words of the bill, identified it, and within 24 hours states like Arizona because of our Freedom Caucus, had actually gone in and shut that bill down and gotten it killed completely.
Jenny Beth Martin (05:43):
That is amazing. What other kind of winds have you had?
Jake Hoffman (05:46):
Well, in Arizona, the Arizona Freedom Caucus is actually having tremendous wins. The liberal media is losing their minds because we are actually controlling the agenda within the state of Arizona. They routinely, they think they're chastising us, but in reality, we actually take it like an incredible compliment. But they say that the legislature is dancing to our tune, and what they mean by that is, I'll give you one example. So I chair the director nominations committee. Now the Arizona Senate, just like the US Senate, we have an incredibly important responsibility, which is confirming Katie Hobbs' nominees. So the Senate has the responsibility to advise and consent on nominees to lead agencies like the Department of Health Services, department of Public Safety Department of Child Services, et cetera, et cetera. Now, you wouldn't think that the Department of Health Services, or at least a few years ago, you wouldn't have thought that that would be an important post.
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But post covid, we now know we are all awake to the fact that there is a tyranny laying deep within the belly of government that none of us expected even a few years ago. And so Katie Hobbs, she nominated a woman named Dr. Theresa Cullen, who was the Pima County Health Director. Pima County is Tucson, Arizona, right? One of the most liberal areas in the country. She nominated this woman to be the head of the Arizona Department of Health Services. So we brought her in for a confirmation hearing, and I'll tell you what, it wasn't a pretty scene for Katie Hobbs because it was one lie after another after another. We caught her multiple times just outright lying to the committee trying to hide the disastrous policies that she had put in place, things like forced vaccinations, forced lockdowns shaming businesses. They actually created a website to shame Pima County businesses that weren't compliant enough with the government's mandates. And we were able to shut that down. Another big win that we had is we were able to get, we got all the conservatives to come together and we did something radical. Jenny Beth, we gave taxpayers back their money in the budget process.
Jenny Beth Martin (07:54):
That is radical.
Jake Hoffman (07:54):
Imagine that, right? It's their money. And we actually gave Arizona families a 270 million tax rebate that those checks are going to be hitting and they can be upwards of $750 and they're going to hit families bank accounts come November as we head into the holidays when finances get tight. And it's not just the holidays in Joe Biden's economy, real wage growth is down, interest rates are skyrocketing. I saw a stat just yesterday that it was the average price of a home because of interest rates is up over $1,300 a month right now. Right? And then you take, you factor in inflation. They're paying more at the gas pump, more at the grocery store, milk, eggs, everything is through the roof expensive. So we're going to make sure that Arizona families get as much of their money back as humanly possible.
Jenny Beth Martin (08:45):
That is really good. It shouldn't be radical at all to do that. What are the challenges that are facing you here in Arizona?
Jake Hoffman (08:52):
Well, I think the biggest challenge that we have, we're in a new position as a state. We have a Democrat controlled executive branch. Now, this is something that Arizonans haven't had to deal with in a number of years since Janet Napolitano all the way back in the late 20 odds. We haven't had to deal with this. And so what we're seeing is that Katie Hobbs unfortunately, is essentially playing a game of hold my beer with states like California and New York and Illinois. She's trying to go as extreme and as radical as she possibly can to I guess prove her chops as a partisan ideologue. The sad thing is we saw it start really kind of aggressively with Barack Obama. We've seen it aggressively with Joe Biden, with Gavin Newsom and other leftist governors, but we're seeing Katie Hobbs play out of the same book when it comes to executive authority and overreaching when it comes to the use of executive orders.
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And so she started day one in office, she drops a radical L G B T Q executive order, and she hasn't stopped. I mean, as recently as just what maybe a month ago, she dropped new eos that stripped duly elected county attorneys of their authority to prosecute abortion related crimes. Now that would be like Donald Trump. Let's just use him as the example since they love to politicize him. That would be Donald Trump going in and saying, well, I don't like X, Y or Z. I don't like the fact that you aren't allowing more drilling permits. And him just saying, well, willy-nilly, I'm going to just do away with that. Right? It would be like taking any law that's already on the books and just saying, because I don't like it, we're not going to enforce it. Well, that's not how our system of government works.
Jenny Beth Martin (10:37):
At least it's not how it's supposed to work.
Jake Hoffman (10:39):
That's right. It's not how it's supposed to work, for sure. And so I think the biggest challenge that we see now is keeping Republicans coalesced, keeping them united in the legislature around conservative principles to fight back and push back on this radical agenda. A lot of people think that when you're in a split government, a divided government kind of model like we have here, that the best option is to moderate. The best option is to abandon your principles, run to the middle, and try and be as bipartisan as possible. But what we know from states like Florida is that when you lead boldly from a conservative point of view, our principles have lifted more people out of poverty, brought more opportunity and prosperity than anything else in the history of mankind and Florida. I mean, look, Ron DeSantis, when he ran in 2018, he won with less than half a percent margin, less than 35,000 votes.
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That was his margin of victory. But yet four years later, with a net gain of only about 450,000 new move-ins to the state of Florida, he won by over 1.5 million votes. That was a margin of victory of about 19.5%. And it was because he took on cultural issues. He took on the culture war issues because at the end of the day, people care about the things that impact their lives. They care about what their children are being forced to read, what they're being taught at school. They care about the money in their pockets, the opportunities that they have to move up in life and in society. Those are the things that we've got to focus on and stay united on in order to beat this radical agenda.
Jenny Beth Martin (12:14):
And how is that going with your fellow elected officials? Well,
Jake Hoffman (12:17):
I think it's going actually really well right now. We had one kind of misstep right at the end of session that we'll say for another conversation, but all in all, it was about a 99% success rate this legislative session. And look, when you factor in, Arizona's not from a legislative majority standpoint, we're not a super red state, right? You've got states like South Carolina that have super majorities
Jenny Beth Martin (12:43):
In
Jake Hoffman (12:43):
Both chambers. I mean, they are wildly conserv Republican, let's say, not conservative,
Jenny Beth Martin (12:48):
But
Jake Hoffman (12:48):
Republican. And they can't do, South Carolina can't accomplish half of what the state of Arizona accomplishes. And Arizona only has by contrast a one vote majority in each chamber. So we only have the room for error of one single vote in the house and one single vote in the Senate. And if we can't thread that needle, we can't get things done yet with the one vote majority. We passed the largest tax cut in Arizona history two years ago. We passed over 35 key election integrity reforms over the past two years. Last year we went to Universal Backpack funding, empowerment scholarship accounts for school choice. I mean, we have been doing some very cutting edge conservative policy, and we've been doing it with the thinnest of margins. The reason why is because Arizona Republicans are united in the fact that our principals, they really do help people.
Jenny Beth Martin (13:42):
That is really inspiring, and it's good for people to hear that you're having such a good impact and that you're showing that you don't go to the middle to make a difference. You show the bold contrast between the radical left policies and the conservative policies that bring everybody up regardless of all the things that the left tries to use to divide us.
Jake Hoffman (14:05):
That's right. Well, I mean, look, if we look back at our founding and at the stories of America, it's easy sometimes to feel like George Washington's men, Bob McEwen former congressman, he gives a great talk and he talks about from the founding July 4th, 1776, all the way through December, the day after Christmas of 1776, and George Washington and his men, they got beat over and over and over during that almost five and a half month period. I mean, they went from 20,000 troops to 2,500 troops because they were so just ill and injured, and many of them even abandoned because they were getting beat so often. And yet, the battle at Trenton, the surprise attack at Trenton, he goes in with a few hundred soldiers and is able to achieve this big victory because they knew what they were fighting for. And oftentimes we tend to feel that we're surrounded, right? We've got cancel culture, we've got higher education telling us that men can be women and women can be men. We've got racist ideology and critical race theory. I could go down the list. I mean, we all know it though.
Jenny Beth Martin (15:15):
It's
Jake Hoffman (15:15):
Easy to feel surrounded. But what I like to remind people of is that in the Book of Psalms, we all know this great passage that it says, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear know evil. And we all know what the punchline is. It's for thou art with me. And that's an incredibly important piece of that verse, but it's not the only important piece of that verse, what the valley is called is intentional. It is the Bible is the divine words of God, and it's called the valley of the shadow of death, not the valley of death. And what we know about shadows, it's they're scary and they're dark and they make the evils look bigger than they really are, but they can't hurt us. And that's exactly where we're at today. The left is doing everything it can to create shadows and to create this appearance that they outnumber us. I mean, that was one of the founding kind of mantras of the Tea Party
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Is they don't outnumber us. We surround them. We have to remember that. And we have to remember that our founding fathers for all of the distortion that time and history put on them, they weren't more qualified than us. They weren't stronger or better equipped or better educated than the people today, than the Patriots in this country right now. They just had the courage to step up when time and circumstance called their name and to be a part of history. The pages of our nation's future history books are being written right now, and it's going to record a hell of a lot of people in your audience as the Patriots who give us the next 250 years of freedom just like our founders gave us the first 250 years.
Jenny Beth Martin (16:51):
And it's people like you who are making such a difference. Thank you. Now, we talked about your legislative efforts. You also have an activist platform and you're engaged also in a tool that entrepreneurs can use to fight the cancel culture. Do you want to talk about those?
Jake Hoffman (17:10):
I'd love to. Thank you. Let's
Jenny Beth Martin (17:11):
Do that. Yes.
Jake Hoffman (17:11):
So me and my business partner created a line for freedom. It's an ecosystem for an alternate economy. And look, the reality is the left has out flanked us for decades when it comes to tactics and tools, right? They took technology, leveraged it early, and built a suite of tools that have enabled activists on the left, have enabled businesses on the left, have enabled an entire ecosystem on the left to really exercise their will. Well, if we are going to be successful as conservatives and as freedom loving Americans, we have to have tools that support our values, right? This values-based consumerism. Patriot Mobile is a perfect example. They were one of the earliest, the first amac action and amac are another one. They were some of the first to enter this kind of alternate economy before we really understood the nomenclature. Well, align for Freedom is coming into bolster that and to give businesses through align pay, which are cancel culture free payment processing solutions to give businesses and nonprofit organizations the ability to collect donations and process payments, to take card payments in person and online at events no matter where you're at, and do it with the comfort of knowing that you're not going to be subjected to cancel culture.
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I can't tell you how many businesses we've had. Some have been churches, some have been conservative nonprofit groups, but we've had countless businesses come to us because they got canceled and we were able to get them back up and running within 24 hours, and they haven't had any issues since. Look, we are committed to allowing people to engage in every legal commerce that exists in America without fear of being canceled. Now, the other platform within the Align for Freedom ecosystem today is called Align Act align act.com, and it is think GoFundMe on steroids times a million. What we've done is enabled one click emails, one click phone calls into legislators and corporate leaders. Look, every American deserves to have a voice, and unfortunately, the establishment, the system K Street, the lobbyists, whatever you want to call it, they've built their tools and then they walled them off so that the average American doesn't have access to those tools. So while they're using that for, and we'll pick Iowa Corn farmers to get ethanol subsidies
Jenny Beth Martin (19:35):
And
Jake Hoffman (19:35):
Lobbying Congress to give out more of your money to pay for their business, right? The regular mom, let's say in rural Nebraska that needs to advocate for common sense policy change at her local school board
Jenny Beth Martin (19:49):
Doesn't
Jake Hoffman (19:49):
Have any tools to do that. The parent who says to heck with this, I'm done with Disney's woke agenda, doesn't have tools to be able to reach into Disney and tell those corporate leaders, here's what the American people actually think. So align act.com, it's free. It's designed to allow every person in America to be able to have a voice and have a megaphone right into the decision makers that are impacting their lives.
Jenny Beth Martin (20:17):
So if you are an activist in Nebraska, like a mom, what do you do when you go on the website?
Jake Hoffman (20:23):
So you go to align act.com, you can click get started or start a campaign, and right there you'll be prompted to go through a four-step process to create a campaign that anyone in America can go take action on. And look, it's important to note when we say anyone in America, why would somebody in Florida want to take action on something in Nebraska, right? A school board issue in Nebraska? Well, if we're going to actually pull from the own playbook, go back to 2008, 2009, North Carolina passed a bill that said you had to use the bathroom of the gender on your birth certificate. Imagine that we've been having these bathroom battles
Jenny Beth Martin (20:59):
For
Jake Hoffman (20:59):
Decades, right? So North Carolina passes this and the left uses national pressure to affect local change. They flooded the North Carolina governor and legislature and businesses. March Madness was supposed to be there that year. They flooded the NCAA with emails and phone calls and tweets and Facebook posts, and you name it, trying to create a national groundswell to force them into complying with the left's agenda. Now, I'll tell you, we've had success, and that's why we think that Floridians or Californians or whoever they are, should be able to engage on issues no matter where they are in the country. By doing that, we've actually had organizers be able to get Pepsi to commit to stopping funding of B L M. I mean, that's a huge win. The Disney executive that was fired after the don't say gay controversy was because of a campaign run by one of our organizers. We've had numerous successes like that, and it's all thanks to organizers like Tea Party Patriots and other organizations, and really to the grassroots activists who get on and make their voices heard.
Jenny Beth Martin (22:09):
And it's a very simple platform to use. And then once the campaign is created, if you don't want to create your own campaign, it's easy to just go find ways to be active on it and take action on campaigns that other groups or individuals have set up.
Jake Hoffman (22:24):
That's right on the homepage. If you go to align act.com, you're going to see a featured campaign, which is a really important top tier campaign that's going on right now and needs action. But then you're also going to see trending campaigns, and those are campaigns that a lot of people are going and engaging with. And so that's a good way to know, Hey, I want to get involved. I want to make my voice heard on this groundswell issue because it's ramping up and it's going to make a big difference. And then you can go up to the top of the page, you can click browse campaigns, and you can see every campaign that's active on the site at any given time. It's a great tool, not only if you're going to start a campaign, but also if you want to be an activist who just wants to make their voice heard and have an impact.
Jenny Beth Martin (23:05):
Now, I know time is really short, but I have one last question that is going to take a little bit of time for you to explain. You stepped up and you ran for office. Why did you do that? And if people are listening right now, how do they decide that that's what they should also do?
Jake Hoffman (23:20):
Absolutely. Well, I was a post tea party step up. I stepped up in 2012, and quite honestly, I got frustrated. I got tired of hearing politicians and pundits on TV or on the radio, and they said all these words. They said so many words, and they never meant a damn one of them. And that's a problem. We have to have people who not only have the ability to go and say the words, but have the conviction and the resolve to actually execute on them. And I got involved. I didn't know anything about politics. I got to be honest. It's hilarious actually. I didn't even know that the Republican Party at the time was more than just being registered as a Republican. I mean, I was as green to this as you could get. And I ran for the school board. Actually, my wife, I have to blame it on her.
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She said, Hey, hun, why don't you run for the school board? She was a public school teacher at the time. So I went down the street two miles away from my house, was the headquarters for the public school system, and I went and I watched, and after two meetings, I came home and I remember vividly, I told my wife Everything I'm frustrated about in Washington dc everything I'm frustrated about at our state government, it's happening right there. And so I ended up, I ran, and I'll tell you what, God, God has a really funny sense of humor because on election night I lost, and it took two and a half weeks. This is all the way back in 2012. It took two and a half weeks of Maricopa County counting the ballots before I won by 88 votes. So that just goes to say from an election integrity standpoint, these are not 2020 issues.
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These have been going on a long time. Maricopa County has always sucked at elections. So I ran for school board and I just went in with the servant's heart that I wanted to be the productive disruptor, needed to ensure that our children got the highest quality education possible, that parents had an advocate on the school board, and that taxpayers had somebody looking out for their backs. And I don't say this with joy, but it resulted in the superintendent of the school district was recently indicted on 27 felony counts of public corruption with three co-conspirators from the time that I was on the school board. Wow. I mean, it's really amazing how corrupt it was. And the threads that I was pulling on ultimately led to justice being served and people getting some semblance of closure on the issues that they were experiencing as parents and families that were sending their kids to those schools.
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I then served on a town council. God called me to that post to go serve on a town council. And at the time, I got to be honest, God has a plan and we've got to be willing to follow it, but we don't always know why. And when I got to 2020, I'm serving on a town council, and one day I get a phone call and they say, they just put sand on the skate park. And they took down all the basketball nets. And I said, okay, not in my town. And so I went back and I fought our town management town staff, and within eight hours of me getting on the horn with them, and I actually threatened them, I said, if you don't go out there and clean it, I said, I will put on my pajamas and I will go out there and clean it, and I will call every news crew that I can get out here and I will make it so embarrassing for you.
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It's not even funny. And it took about eight hours and they finally got everything, all the parks reopened, all of the insanity done. We treated businesses with respect. We didn't do lockdowns, we didn't do mask mandates. And then 2020 hits, and God had called me to run for the State House of Representatives, and I was at a Heritage Foundation event speaking on election integrity. And I kind of just let off my comments. I said, honestly, I didn't expect to be an election integrity legislator. I wanted to do guns and life and taxes and all the normal conservative stuff.
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And 2020 happened. And I said, whoa. And I took a deep dive and I saw how epically broken our system is. I mean, it's amazing to me that we look at government and we know the D M V sucks because we sit in line for four hours waiting to get a new driver's license, right? We know that the US Postal Service sucks because it loses $8 billion a quarter. Amtrak. We can go down the litany, e p a Department of Transportation, whatever it is, we know that government is at absolute best incompetent. At worst, it's maladministration and malfeasance. But somehow we fooled ourselves into thinking that elections are the one area of government that are miraculously just run well. And as I got in and I did a deep dive, I realized that's just simply not the case. So I became an election integrity legislator, and I'll just tell you, to get back to the core of your question, you got to go where God calls. But that means you have to be prayerful about it. You have to diligently look at where he might be calling you. And if you feel polled to be involved in this, it's probably more than just sitting on the sidelines tweeting or posting on Facebook or truth social.
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The reality is that, like I said earlier, our founding fathers, the Washingtons, the Jeffersons, the Franklins, they weren't more qualified than the people listening to this podcast or this radio show right now. They simply had the courage to step up when time and circumstance called their name, when it was their time to make an impact on history. We need more Patriots today to just be willing to step into the game. You don't have to know all the answers. You don't have to know how to run a campaign right off the bat. There are resources that exist, groups like Tea Party Patriots and Turning Point Action, turning Point PAC Eagle Forum, Americans for Limited Government, heritage Action.
Jenny Beth Martin (29:11):
Heritage Action. Yeah.
Jake Hoffman (29:12):
You go down the list. There are groups that are there to help. American Majority has some great resources for first time candidates.
Jenny Beth Martin (29:19):
There
Jake Hoffman (29:20):
Are groups that are there to help. You've just got to have a servant's heart and be willing to step in and defend freedom for the next generation.
Jenny Beth Martin (29:27):
That's exactly right. And Leadership Institute also, they do amazing
Jake Hoffman (29:31):
Training. Yes, ally does wonderful
Jenny Beth Martin (29:32):
Trainings. So I really appreciate you taking the time to answer that. And I hope that if people are listening and they are filling that, tugging that they to it and prayerfully consider it and step up the way that you do.
Jake Hoffman (29:46):
Amen.
Jenny Beth Martin (29:46):
So Jake, has anyone ever told you that you have an optimistic spirit about conservatism? And it makes me think of what Ronald Reagan might've been like if I had ever gotten to meet him just smiling with your love of the
Jake Hoffman (29:58):
Country. No, I appreciate that though. Look, here's how I'm going to respond to that. In Romans, Paul and Silas are literally in jail. They're in their version, the Romans version of a gulag, just like the J six political prisoners are in today in Washington dc. But yet because they knew who the king was, it didn't matter who the king was, and they could praise God and they could worship while being in jail. And when we know the resolute power of our Lord and Savior of Jesus Christ, he will use that worship and that resolve and that commitment to our principles, that commitment to our faith to literally bring down the walls of those prisons. We have got to have the courage to step in and fight this game. And if we aren't happy warriors about it, man, it will eat you alive. So we got to have some optimism. We got to know that we're on the right side of history, that our principles win and that God wins in the end.
Jenny Beth Martin (30:52):
Jay Hoffman, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for
Jake Hoffman (30:55):
Having me.
Narrator (30:56):
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