Congressman Andy Biggs joins Jenny Beth to discuss his articles for impeaching Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. They also talk about some of the new rules changes in the 118th United States Congress, and the controversy over the Pledge of Allegiance.
Congressman Andy Biggs represents the 5th Congressional district of Arizona and currently serves on the House Oversight and Accountability Committee and the House Judiciary Committee. He is the Chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Federal Government Surveillance. He is a former Chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, and prior to serving in the US House of Representatives, he served in both the Arizona State House and Senate, where in 2012 he served as the Senate President.
Twitter: @andybiggs4az @jennybethm
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Jenny Beth Mart...: 02:02 I'm Jenny Beth Martin. This is the Jenny Beth Show. Thanks for joining us today. It is my pleasure that we have with us Congressman Andy Biggs from Arizona, and he is going to talk to us about the new congressional session and all sorts of exciting things that you've been leading the way on.
Congressman And...: 02:18 Well, thank you Jenny Beth. It's good to be with you as always. I don't know if I'd say I'm leading the way, but I'm in the middle of everything.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 02:27 You seem to be. Yes,
Congressman And...: 02:28 Yeah. I don't know how that happens, but it does.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 02:30 Well, we need people who are in the middle and leading the way and trailblazers. So just yesterday you introduced a resolution that would be for impeaching Mayorkas. Talk about that.
Congressman And...: 02:42 Yeah, so Alejandro Nicholas Mayorkas is the Secretary of Homeland Security. It is his job to secure the border and make the American homeland more secure and safe. Instead, he's been focused on erasing the American border on the southwest border. From McAllen to San Diego, we basically don't have a border anymore. It's been deliberate.
03:09 I was talking to a member today, I wasn't sure where he'd be, but he and I were talking about all the different things that he's undertaken to do to undermine our safety. He said, "Yeah, those sound like high crimes and misdemeanors to me." So I think he needs to go. I think he's needed to go for a long time.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 03:27 Yes, he absolutely does. The border problem is real, despite what the mainstream media may want us to think. Where the Biden administration trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that 250,000 people crossing the border illegally every month is normal and that should be the new baseline.
Congressman And...: 03:46 Yeah. So the 250,000, those are encounters. Those are people who basically, most of them surrender. Out of 252,000 last month they chased maybe 10,000 that they ultimately caught. There's also 90,000 that they knew got away, plus an unknown number of got-aways that they suspect is probably another 50,000.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 04:10 So we're talking about closer 250, 300, 400,000 people.
Congressman And...: 04:12 That's correct.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 04:13 That's-
Congressman And...: 04:13 In December. That was in December of 2023. We don't have the numbers on 2020 January yet.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 04:18 That's half a congressional district, isn't it? How big is a congressional district?
Congressman And...: 04:25 Yeah, about 750,000. So it's-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 04:25 Almost a congressional district.
Congressman And...: 04:27 Yeah.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 04:27 That's crazy.
Congressman And...: 04:27 So if you were to take that number for that month, that would be probably maybe the 45th, 50th largest city in the country.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 04:35 Wow. In one month.
Congressman And...: 04:37 In one month. So you look and what they're going to do, when I say that when they, what Mayorkas is doing now, he's got something... So the law allows for parole. Now what parole is Jenny Beth, if you were coming across and you got beat up by a gang member or a police officer shot you on the Mexican side, whatever it is, and you staggered across, as a humanitarian basis, we would let you come in. We would give you a parole to get treatment and then you would be sent home.
05:11 So parole before Mayorkas was about a dozen people, maybe 20 in a big year, but about a dozen people a year. Case by case, one-on-one in the last fiscal year, over 300,000 paroles and now a new parole program where they have a smartphone app for you. If you're from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela, up to 30,000 a month.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 05:42 They pre-parole you before you even get to America with this new program.
Congressman And...: 05:45 Exactly. Yeah, that's right. So could be in Tijuana and you're just waiting for your chance, you go through now. So what that's going to do is you're going to get more people coming through the ports of entry. So when we talk about encounters, we're talking between ports of entry. So a lot of those people that are coming between the ports of entry now are going to come to the ports of entry, be given parole, which is a defacto amnesty because-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 06:11 Right.
Congressman And...: 06:11 Right.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 06:11 Right.
Congressman And...: 06:12 Then they're going to say, see, we've reduced the number of encounters between the ports of entry.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 06:17 The encounters, the people who are surrendering, what is happening with that when they let them stay in the country, isn't this really an abuse of the asylum laws that we have in place? We have a problem, because laws that are already on the books are not being upheld. I think it's important for people to understand what that is. What is it that I just said? What does that mean? Because the administration and the mainstream media would make it seem as if this is all okay. It's migrants who they're seeking asylum.
Congressman And...: 06:55 Well, the first law that we are violating is our own law on first safe state, which is, by the way, also an international law.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 07:02 International law, anywhere in the world that offers asylum.
Congressman And...: 07:06 That's right. So what would happen is if, let's say you're coming from Nicaragua and you've been and let's say you have a legitimate asylum claim. International law says when you get to Mexico, that's your first safe state. That's where you get asylum.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 07:19 Right.
Congressman And...: 07:20 But Mexico-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 07:21 So you should be staying in Mexico, not coming to America.
Congressman And...: 07:24 Which is why having this parole program is really weird in violative of the law. So what's what's happening is we're not following that law. The second thing is, under US law, you are to be detained until your immigration status is adjudicated or determined. What we're doing now, what we've been doing under Mayorkas for almost two years now, is we're just releasing them into the country.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 07:51 No detainment.
Congressman And...: 07:52 No detainment, and why is that critical? People say, well, what's the big deal? The big deal about that is it is a huge deterrent when you keep them detained and then you remove, because there's two other aspects to this thing that we got to get to. The number I heard yesterday seems a little high to me, because last I saw was about 1.2. So I'm going to go with my number. 1.2 million people at least have been adjudicated. They've gone through the court system and they said, your asylum claim's bogus. You must be removed.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 08:24 Right.
Congressman And...: 08:25 Well, for whatever reason... Well, sometimes it's because they just don't show up many times. They're wandering around the country, and when we encounter them, we should be removing them. This secretary, Alejandro Mayorkas, has said we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. We're not going to remove them. The mere fact that they've had due process and an order to be removed...
Jenny Beth Mart...: 08:52 That doesn't matter.
Congressman And...: 08:53 Doesn't matter.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 08:54 The law doesn't matter. The justice system doesn't matter. Just what he says matters. It's a real problem and the people who are coming here oftentimes truly are looking for a better country. They want to get out of the banana republics that they live in. What I mean by that is they want to get out of the places where it's rule of man, rather than rule of law. They want to be in a lawful country, but if their first act is violating our law and we, our officials, are no longer upholding the law, then they are turning America into a lawless country. America will ultimately, if we continue down this path, become the very thing they're fleeing.
Congressman And...: 09:35 I think we're well on our way to that, Jenny. What you said is so important, because you got the guy who's in charge of our national security and basically what he is saying is, I don't care what the law is. I'm going to do it my way, because I think I'm more compassionate and more humane. The problem of course is you empower cartels, because the cartels control the border and these people are abused along the way.
10:10 This is really insidious, because you get unaccompanied minors that come through. So what happens is somebody will say, I'm going to pay the cartel, or whatever they do, whatever arrangement they make, and they give up a five year old kid. The cartel doesn't care about that five year old kid. It's A commodity. They've got the money. They're going to drop the kid off. The Office of Refugee and Resettlement takes those children and they place them.
10:42 Well, what Mayorkas has done, this is the other part I was going to tell you, you have to place them with mom and dad. That's what the law is. On his own, he's said, well, we're going to place him with anybody that's a family member. They don't vet them. There's no vetting. They don't know whether they're really the family member or not.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 10:59 It could be a child trafficking situation, sexual trafficking situation.
Congressman And...: 11:04 Exactly, and they've lost 20,000 of these kids.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 11:09 That is not humane.
Congressman And...: 11:09 Right.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 11:10 It's wrong. It's abusive.
Congressman And...: 11:11 Yeah. So you look at it and you say... So I was talking to, as I say, to a fellow today in one of their hearings. They had two victims of sexual trafficking. They'd been placed in with pseudo-family members who were the ones who actually trafficked them. The point is, we don't know who they are. You can't vet them. When you're releasing, they're not vetting them now.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 11:40 Right.
Congressman And...: 11:43 If they say come from, I don't know, you pick a country, let's pick on Nicaragua again. We don't have access to their crime database, if they even have a crime database. So we don't know if that person's a murderer, a child molester, domestic predator. We just don't know, but they're being released all over this country. People say, oh, Andy, that's just really, someone said yesterday, nativist. That's nativist and xenophobic. No, I'm not being-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 12:14 Actually, it's humanitarian. You're being the humanitarian.
Congressman And...: 12:17 Right.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 12:18 You're trying to protect. The way to protect them is to set the laws up and to make sure the laws are followed. A mom and dad are going to treat a child differently than any other family member will. Mom and dads aren't always the best person, but they are mom and dad. You've got a much better chance with your mom and dad than you do other family members usually.
Congressman And...: 12:38 Think about it, the reason that you hear about the extraordinary circumstances when on occasion a mom and dad have been abusive or whatnot. Well, the reality is, it's because it is extraordinary.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 12:49 Right.
Congressman And...: 12:50 Right, but the bottom line is, this is Secretary Mayorkas' worldview. His worldview is to basically destroy our geographic integrity, destroy the border. Throughout history, a dissolution of a nation is almost always begun when you lose geographical or boundary integrity, and that's where we are. Then you throw into things like... One of the other first things is when your currency is devalued and worthless. Well, hello, we're-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 13:22 I'm coming to that in a second. Yeah.
Congressman And...: 13:24 We're going to get there.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 13:24 Some problems with that too.
Congressman And...: 13:28 Yeah. So we have got major things to repair and Secretary Mayorkas needs to be held accountable. For me, he's committed high crimes and misdemeanors. I think that's pretty clear. So what's the alternative? You can either wait for two more years and having another five or 6 million people illegally enter the country and further do harm, which may be irreparable or you exercise impeachment and try to remove him and produce the evidence so that the American people can understand why this guy needs to be removed.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 14:03 You are not the things that people are claiming that you are. It's not that you're against all immigration. You want lawful immigration. We have many, many people who come to the country lawfully. They come to the country legally, and they work here. That's the way the process should be. When you don't uphold the law, it's not fair or right to the people who did follow the law, for other people to cut in line in front of them or just get a free pass, when the people who are following the law usually are paying thousands of dollars to attorneys to make sure that they maintain their status here legally.
Congressman And...: 14:41 Think about it. We bring in more people legally through the orderly, legal process. It may be bulky, maybe needs to be reviewed, but it's an orderly, legal process. We bring more than the rest of the world combined annually. That's just the way it is. So don't tell me that we are against immigration.
15:03 What we are for is our border, the sanctity of law, the sanctity of life. What we have found is, under Donald Trump for instance, one sector, Yuma sector, fewer than 9,000 people encountered in the entire year.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 15:21 Wow.
Congressman And...: 15:21 Last year under Mayorkas, over 350,000 in that same sector. You just go, what's happening? Well, the cartels, criminal gangs down there are making billions of dollars. The testimony yesterday in our committee from Cochise County, Arizona is that the people coming in are paying $7,000 per person to be trafficked or smuggled in. What's happening is you've got people in, he's said, as young as 14 to 15. They steal a car, they drive on down, and they're promised by the cartel $3,000 a person to transport them from Cochise County, Arizona up to the Phoenix metro area.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 16:04 Wow.
Congressman And...: 16:04 There's high speed chases. We've had rollovers and fatalities. This happens, because we encouraged people to try to get into the country. Because if they make it in, we let-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 16:20 Once they're in Phoenix, they get on the interstate system and they can get anywhere in the rest of the country easily in a car.
Congressman And...: 16:27 Bus, whatever.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 16:28 Whatever it may be, because we're very interconnected. Usually you've got to get to major metro city to start fanning out, but it's not hard to do
Congressman And...: 16:39 Not hard to do. Don't forget too, that Mayorkas finally had to admit that they were allowing arrest warrants to be used as identification for airplane rights for an illegal alien.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 16:53 It's just crazy. Think about that, as an American citizen, how many checks you and I are going through to get onto a plane and we have to have our real ID at some point in the next few months or within the next years or so. That requires your birth certificate, all sorts of things to verify you are who you say you are. All of that for us to get onto a plane, and then they're just allowing arrest warrants. You don't even know if the person's name is right, because they're coming here sometimes without any identification at all.
Congressman And...: 17:26 Yeah. Look, there are places... So they were sent... If you're from Nicaragua, we don't send back because we don't have an extradition treaty. So what was happening is people would come up and say they might be from Guatemala or someplace that we do have a removal agreement. They would throw their ID away. The cartels would tell them, throw your ID away. They'd throw their ID away. You could go down along the border and we would just pick up IDs. Then they would say, I'm from Nicaragua.
18:02 There was one time I was there, there's 24 guys, all single guys, probably ages 24 to 35. Where are you guys from? Well, we're from Georgia, meaning the country of Georgia. So we had somebody that we had access to who was going to come over, we're try trying to translate for them. They said, "Oh, no, no. We're from Russia." Then when the CBP guys came back, they were from Georgia again. They're trying to leverage, because they know there's no way to check out who they are from any of these countries. They're trying to just leverage to make sure that they're all okay.
18:39 In any event, they all cross together obviously. Why do you have 24 Georgians or Russians coming together? I don't know. By the way, that whole group that I was standing in, there were 300 people there that had just crossed the border together. At seven grand a piece, 300, that's 210,000 bucks.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 19:05 That's just in an hour or so of your time and it's happening all day long, every day.
Congressman And...: 19:11 Yeah.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 19:12 Okay. So I'm very glad to see that you've introduced this resolution, what happens next on it? We're going to go to the other thing that makes countries collapse, which is the inflationary problem and the spending, but dealing with this, let's close this part out. What is the next things that will happen and what can people who are listening and watching do to help you?
Congressman And...: 19:38 So the next thing is it should be assigned to a commission. It should be assigned to the judiciary committee, in which case Chairman Jordan should put together a group to do what we call an impeachment inquiry. So you put together all your evidence and whatnot and then have a public hearing. For people interested and supportive, just write Mr. McCarthy, the Speaker McCarthy, and let them know, hey, we think Mayorkas needs to be impeached.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 20:10 Okay.
Congressman And...: 20:11 Just do that because as he feels that that's the will of the American people, then he'll make sure that assignment gets made.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 20:19 Okay. All right. That's very important. So we'll make sure that we're helping get calls and letters. Maybe not calls, but letters, emails to McCarthy.
20:29 Now when we're dealing with the debt and the budget, what's going on with that? I know that spending was part of the deal that was worked out when you and the others voted against McCarthy, trying to use that moment in time with that vote to leverage a better situation in the House of Representatives.
Congressman And...: 20:50 Well, so let me give you an update of what's happening. First, a lot of people don't understand the debt ceiling. The simplest way to think about it, and this is grotesque, but we owe 31.4 trillion. That's our national debt. The argument is that we need to raise our credit card's limit, our debt limit in order to pay all of our bills going forward. I'm not sure that that's factually accurate even.
21:24 The number, they won't tell us. So I asked last week, in multiple meetings, I said, "Well, how much do you want to raise it and how long will that kick it down till you need to do it again?" Oh, we don't know. Everybody, oh, we don't know. Oh, we don't know. So they're doing a lot of sniffing around. The rumor is that they want to raise it by 2.6 trillion to kick that debt ceiling down for two years. They say that they'll get two years. The way to think about it is we're in the hole every month anywhere from a 80 to 115 billion a month. So that makes sense that it might be 2.6 trillion.
22:11 So the question is what do you do? So there are some solutions to it, and one of the things that we've asked is you cannot... First of all, there's no way in the world that I'm going to go to anybody and say, I voted to raise it, 2.6 trillion. Just not going to happen. They say, "Well, the whole faith and credit of the United States will be at risk and the markets will be in a turmoil if we don't raise it." What you can do is you can do some other things to prevent that.
22:41 How about let's claw back money from that most recent 1.7 trillion omni and let's say, how much money have you spent? How much have you obligated? We want the rest back, and start pulling that money back. The infrastructure bill, how much money have you spent? How much have you obligated? We want the rest back into the coffers. What that does is that actually puts off the need to do the debt ceiling lift for some time. Then you claw back. I think the number on an insurance portion that we gave out is like 500 billion that might still be out there.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 23:23 That's related to COVID spending?
Congressman And...: 23:24 Yes. Yeah.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 23:25 Okay.
Congressman And...: 23:25 So you start bringing back COVID money that might not be back. That might be as low as a hundred billion, might be as high as 800 billion. You start clawing back on the fraud or wrongful payments that were made with the COVID money. The estimates there are 800 billion to a trillion dollars. You start pulling these things back in, and then you start looking at fraud and waste everywhere else and bringing that in.
23:48 Now as you do that, it has the natural effect of reducing the need to spend money in certain places. Then you have to freeze that, and as you do that, you have a chance to say, we're going to be on a trajectory or path to actually move towards a balanced budget. That's what some of us are talking about and others are just blithely going along. Well, we don't want the country to default. We're not going to default.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 24:22 No, we don't have to default.
Congressman And...: 24:23 We don't have to default, and we're not going to either.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 24:26 Well, and we bring in 400 billion a month. We spend 500 billion a month.
Congressman And...: 24:30 That's right.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 24:30 With that 500 billion you just mentioned with the COVID money, that would be an extra five months of the deficit right there. It sends it five months just with that. Because it's a hundred billion a month short, so that covers five more months.
Congressman And...: 24:50 Yeah, that's right, but there's might be other pots too. So just the normal funding for an agency or department, nobody knows. I asked somebody the other day, "Well, how many agencies do we have?" Well, we don't know how many federal agencies.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 25:03 How can we not know how many agencies we have?
Congressman And...: 25:05 Somebody's got to know, right?
Jenny Beth Mart...: 25:06 Well, they should. If they don't, they... In my house, I'm not going to say, well, I don't know. Maybe I don't know off the top of my head every single penny, but I can quickly put my fingers on it. It might take me 15 minutes to make sure I know where every single penny is, but I know where my money is, most Americans do. To just sit there and go, oh, it's just 800 billion to a trillion dollars in fraud from the payments with COVID. No big deal, just a trillion dollars. We're 30, 31-
Congressman And...: 25:40 31.4.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 25:44 31.4 trillion. One trillion of that could be fraud related to the COVID payments.
Congressman And...: 25:49 Oh, I'm going to guesstimate that it's far more than a trillion through fraud and waste over the years. There's another secret here that most people don't realize. The numbers I was looking up are a little bit dated, so I won't give you those numbers. If the ratios are anywhere near the same, it's important to understand. So you have a Social Security trust fund, you have a Medicare trust fund, and you have several other trust funds that we've put aside money for, people have paid it. Well, what the federal government has done, now this is asinine, they have actually borrowed money from those trust funds.
26:29 So those trust funds hold treasury bills, the promissory notes basically of trillions and trillions of dollars. That's why you can fix some of this stuff and you don't have to even touch the benefits. You can keep giving the benefits, but you just have to look and say, how do we make those adjustments? Because we can keep paying the benefits out, but it's like you saying, well, I'm going to borrow from the food account this month to pay for the cable TV account or whatever.
27:11 The point is, you've got to acknowledge that, and of that, how much is owned by China? How much is owned by Japan? How much is owned by the UK? So that's where we have another avenue to look, not to not pay our debts, but to fix it and rehabilitate where we're going with our budget long term and short term so we can make these payments. I've never really been interested in this notion of let's put together a 10 year budget, so we balance in 10 years. Jenny Beth, that's what they were saying when I first came in. I talked to people at that time who said that they'd been telling them for years they were going to do a five year, seven year, 10 budget, and-
Jenny Beth Mart...: 27:56 It never happens.
Congressman And...: 27:59 It never happens.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 28:01 It never happens. It never happens. I imagine that at the end of the day, the debt ceiling is going to go up.
Congressman And...: 28:07 Yeah, it will.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 28:09 It will.
Congressman And...: 28:10 So I've had reporters who've been asking me questions like, "Well, are you in favor of default or do you want to raise the debt ceiling?" I'm like, "That's not even the question. Don't ask me that question." I said, "And also you Mr. Reporter know as well as I know that it is going to go up it." The real question is this. What you should be saying is, so it's like an individual would be taken out a second mortgage on your house. The bank is like, okay, we'll get you a second mortgage, but then you've got to do a few things and put some money down. Oh, you're spending a little bit money too much here. There are terms in order to get the loan, and that's what we're dealing with right now.
28:54 The President may not like it. The Democrats who control the Senate may not like it, but the fact is, the American people voted for Republicans to control the House. This is one thing that we can work on. We aren't going to get every single thing in the world that you and I want, but it darn well better be more than what we're getting.
29:13 It has to be real. It has to be real. We're working with members in the House and the Senate, some of us. So there's some policy changes you can make, like the REINS Act or some of these things, that would actually have structural long-term significance. At the same time, if you don't deal with the actual spending problem, you'll never get there.
29:41 I was talking to you about dissolution of countries and disintegration of countries. This is one of the first signs of it as well, your currency is debased. You can't pay your debts, and that's where we are. The fact that we have to come back every year to two years and negotiate and fight over raising our debut ceiling again and again and again and again, it indicates pretty clearly that we have overextended.
30:11 Is there anything more demonstrative of the size of our federal government that's just bloated and way too big than the fact we can't even borrow enough money to pay its obligations? That's the other thing I would say is we've got to start devolving power back to the states where it's meant to be in the first place.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 30:34 Right. I'm pretty sure in addition to that, that nobody in the government knows how many agencies there are. I'm sure someone does, but there's so many they don't even know that. We've got some serious problems. I'm glad that you're working on that. As we learn more about what the options are, I know that we will be working very, very hard at Tea Party Patriots: Action to inform the grassroots and to help educate our neighbors and our own circles of influence about what you're doing, and urge Americans to give it a little bit of time.
31:04 Just like we were urging Americans, give it time with the Speaker vote. In the end, even the people who were voting for McCarthy, who I was in to touch with, were like, we've got better rules now. It's going to be better. We've got to get through this process, so that we've got a better America. Okay, one more thing.
Congressman And...: 31:22 Yep.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 31:23 I know you're going to have to go in just a minute, but yesterday something really strange happened. We had some members of Congress who complained about saying the Pledge of Allegiance. What happened with that?
Congressman And...: 31:35 So this stems from something a last year that Mr. Gaetz, Matt Gaetz from Florida, said, "I think we should have say the Pledge of Allegiance in Judiciary every time we meet. We liked it.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 31:50 I love that.
Congressman And...: 31:50 Yeah. I guess that was two years ago at the Rules.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 31:52 I was one of those kids who got the Pledge of Allegiance back in her school system in the eighties. Yeah.
Congressman And...: 31:59 Yeah. Well, I was earlier than that, but none nonetheless. The point is, so he does it and the Democrats, because they had the majority, in lockstep, said, no, we're not going to do it. So Matt offered an amendment again. We had a staff sergeant from his district come up and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. The Democrats went absolutely berserk. They felt like... Nadler, "We say it on the floor." Well, when's the last time you were on the floor to say it, Mr. Nadler? Because on the floor, and I've been down there, I was there last week, there's five or six of us on the floor.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 32:38 I thought was full all the time.
Congressman And...: 32:41 Everybody...
Jenny Beth Mart...: 32:42 Not at all.
Congressman And...: 32:42 Not at all. It's never full. So there's five or six of us and we said the pledge. What is wrong with saying the Pledge of Allegiance before your committee hearing?
Jenny Beth Mart...: 32:50 It takes like 30 seconds.
Congressman And...: 32:52 It takes 30 seconds. Not only that, it wasn't even a shall, it was a may.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 32:56 So it's not binding. It's just we-
Congressman And...: 33:00 Yeah. If the chair says today I feel like we're going to do the Pledge of Allegiance. Representative so-and-so, you lead us in the pledge, and they went crazy. One of them introduced an amendment to say, no insurrectionists can lead the committee and the Pledge of Allegiance. As one of our able scholars said, "Well, insurrectionist is a legal term. It's defined and it's a criminal offense. There's nobody in Congress that has been charged and convicted with this, so any member of the committee can do it." It's absurd and it indicates this, quite frankly, in my opinion, a loathing for the country, which is why their policies are what they are. Just getting back to becoming full circle, why would you destroy this southern border? Why would you?
Jenny Beth Mart...: 33:58 Right.
Congressman And...: 33:59 It's because either you're indifferent to the United States or you don't really care for it so much. I tend to think that there are people who don't like this country who serve in Congress.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 34:12 Yeah. I think that some of them who don't like the country, designed your new pins too. They got rid of red and blue are white on the pin and now we have environmental green. It's disrespectful to those colors on the flag that you're pledging allegiance to.
Congressman And...: 34:28 I will say that when I opened up my little envelope and saw the pin, I said, Green New Deal Pelosi.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 34:35 That's what it is.
Congressman And...: 34:36 Green New Deal Pelosi, and they want us to remember that for two years.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 34:40 I think that that might be an okay thing to spend money to replace. It might be the only time anyone ever hears me say that.
34:50 Okay. Well, Congressman Andy Biggs, I really am so glad that you are here today. Thank you for introducing the resolution to impeach Mayorkas. We're going to look forward to helping send letters and emails to Speaker McCarthy's office, just letting him know that people around the country want that to proceed. We look forward to working on trying to cut the spending and work towards a balanced budget faster than 10 years. Then we really appreciate the fact that you and other members love the country so much that you want to see the Pledge, and that you want to stand and fight for it. So thank you.
Congressman And...: 35:22 Absolutely. Thank you, Jenny Beth. Thanks for all you and your allies due to help us. Thank you.
Jenny Beth Mart...: 35:27 Well, thank you and thanks everyone for listening and watching today. This is The Jenny Beth Show and I'm Jenny Beth Martin.
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