In today’s episode, Jenny Beth Martin breaks down explosive new developments in Washington and across the country. President Trump’s economy continues to surge, with job growth, rising wages, and renewed confidence fueling a major comeback for American workers. Meanwhile, Democrat scandals are erupting nationwide—from a FEMA fraud indictment in Florida, to bombshell revelations about Stacey Plaskett’s texts with Jeffrey Epstein, to election manipulation schemes in Illinois, and even elected Democrats encouraging members of the military to defy orders. Jenny Beth is joined by Paul Teller and Kristen Ullman to analyze these political and constitutional crises, followed by an in-depth interview with Dr. Katherine Welch on the CDC’s stunning reversal regarding childhood vaccines and autism. They examine what the agency suppressed, how trust in public health collapsed, and what accountability should look like. The panel then turns to America’s crime wave, highlighting shocking failures in big-city justice systems, as well as key national developments—including President Trump’s Endangered Species Act reforms, Harmeet Dhillon’s call for conservative legal action, the upcoming Trump–Mamdani meeting, and Justice Clarence Thomas’ historic milestone on the Supreme Court. The episode closes with an urgent discussion about rising antisemitism and how to restore moral clarity about America’s relationship with Israel, followed by a rapid-fire lightning round on how patriots can defend liberty this week.
In this packed episode of The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth Martin covers the biggest political, economic, and cultural stories shaping America right now.
We begin with major economic updates as President Trump’s policies drive strong job growth, rising wages, and renewed optimism for American workers. Jenny Beth, Paul Teller, and Kristen Ullman break down what the latest numbers reveal and how this momentum will impact 2026.
Then we turn to a wave of Democrat scandals—from a FEMA fraud indictment in Florida, to explosive revelations about Stacey Plaskett’s texts with Jeffrey Epstein, to election manipulation schemes in Illinois, and elected Democrats urging members of the military to defy orders.
The episode features an extended interview with Dr. Katherine Welch, who reacts to the CDC’s stunning reversal on its long-standing “vaccines do not cause autism” claim. Dr. Welch explains what the CDC suppressed, how key studies were ignored, why the language changed, and what this means for medical freedom, informed consent, and parental rights.
The panel explores the broader implications for public trust in federal health agencies, the role of censorship and media bias, and what real accountability should look like.
Additional topics include:
The episode concludes with a rapid-fire lightning round: what patriots should do this week to defend liberty.
Guests:
Paul Teller, President, Teller Strategies | @PTeller
Kris Ullman, President, Eagle Forum | @EagleForum
Katherine Welch, MD
Host:
Jenny Beth Martin | @jennybethm
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Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:00:18):
Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. We begin today with major economic news and it is big. The jobs report for September more than doubled economists expectations and was powered by private sector job growth. Nearly a hundred thousand new private sector jobs including 43,000 in healthcare and 19,000 in construction. America is building again, wages are rising. American's wages are up 3.8% over the year, and real wages are up $700 since President Trump returned to office. Wages are on track for a thousand dollars increase after his first year. That means Americans are on pace to recover one third of the $3,000 in lost wages under Biden. Americans are working again. Labor force participation is rising and average weekly hours are rising and long-term unemployment is falling sharply. People see opportunity in President Trump's economy and they're taking it. And here's a critical piece.
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All net job gains have gone to native born Americans since President Trump took office. Over the past year, 2.5 million native born Americans gained employment while 670,000 foreign born workers lost employment. Once again. The so-called experts got it wrong. The report beat all 67 forecast in Bloomberg survey and more Good news is coming. The Atlanta Fed GDP now model is projecting 4.2% GDP growth for Q3. We'll break down what all this means for American families, but first we turn to the political storms in Washington. And later in the show we'll be joined by Dr. Catherine Welch, who is a pediatrician to discuss the admission made by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the agencies squashed information about the possible link between childhood vaccines and autism. Joining me now are two sharp conservatives, Paul Teller, long-term conservative strategist and former senior advisor to President Trump in his first administration. And Kristen Ulman, president of Eagle Forum, and a respected constitutional attorney, Paul and Kris, welcome, great
Paul Teller (00:02:33):
To be here.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:02:34):
It's wonderful to see you guys,
Paul Teller (00:02:37):
Two power women of the conservative movement. I love this.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:02:41):
Thank you so much. Let's start with the economy because these numbers matter. Listen to Steve Moore talking with to Maria Bar Roma
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Seeing the effect of the big beautiful bill, which is actually going to take effect next year with the no tax on tips and no tax on social security and this optimism around where the money is allocated from the being beautiful Bill that I got to believe 2026 is looking real good.
Steve Moore Clip (00:03:05):
Yeah, me too. And you're right about that, about the tax cut. Most people have not seen the tax cut in their paycheck yet because the withholding will come in January and our estimate is that the average family is going to see about a $2,000 increase in their paychecks over the year because of the Trump big beautiful bill. So that's a huge stimulus for American families. But I want to amplify this point about this crazy notion that somehow only the richer getting richer and the poor are getting poorer in this economy. It just ain't true. I mean, the median income is rising right now because of Trump's deregulation, all of this investment coming in. By the way, this is another reason to be super bullish on the economy next year, even if Trump is off by a factor of 10, if we have about 300, 400 new billion dollars coming into the American economy being invested on top of the investment boom, we've already seen, and that's the big part of the picture here, Maria. You know the seed corn for a growing economy is investment in plant equipment, manufacturing, research and development. And those numbers are really good in the GDP report. So whatever Trump is doing, it's working.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:04:20):
Paul, what do these numbers tell us about confidence in President Trump's economic agenda and where the US economy is heading?
Paul Teller (00:04:27):
And that's the thing, Jenny Beth, first of all, thanks again for having me. Great three with you. And yeah, that's, you use the word perfectly right, confidence, right? That's what the American people are seeing in this economy. That's where you're seeing the expectations greatly exceeded. And this is also good news because as you saw, there actually was a little bit of a job dip in the August report according to the Trump administration. So to see it roaring back in September is just a huge injection in the arm for anyone who follows the economy. Anyone who just cares about the American economy, which is all of us. You're seeing the stock market rebound this week, again, took a dip a couple days ago out of some worries that were unfounded, and then when they got good earnings from Nvidia and some other good news folks are jumping back into the market and saying, this economy is getting better. And as Steve Moore just pointed out, will continue to get better next year as the one big beautiful bill kicks in.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:05:22):
Kris, with wages rising, hours increasing in GDP projected at over 4%, what does this mean for the Republican message going into 2026?
Kris Ullman (00:05:32):
Well, this is a very positive message for Republicans because it's very positive for American families. Look, Eagle Forum, I represent a lot of moms and dads across the country and they are worried about the economy. But as Paul said, and as Steve Moore said, as these things start to improve, it's going to make people a lot happier. And you know what? It's not just in January with the one big beautiful Bill, what we're seeing for what the Secretary of Education is doing on education, sending it back to the states, working on reforming higher ed, all these things fighting illegal immigration and deporting criminal aliens. All this will lead to a stronger job market, a stronger economy, more opportunities for Americans and their children and all that will be very good because it will be good for Americans, and that's what we care about in the conservative movement is making life better for all Americans. And this improvements in the economy will do just that.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:06:34):
I think you're exactly right about that. Now, let's shift gears. In Washington, the Democrats aren't really talking about the economy unless they're trying to be doomsayers. What we are seeing though is something very different. Play out a pattern of corruption inside the Democrat party is spiraling out of control. Let's begin in Florida where this scandal is outright criminal. A member of Congress is stealing from disaster funds. Democrat Congresswoman Sheila McCormick was indicted for stealing nearly $5 million in FEMA disaster funds. What does this say about the culture within the Democrat party, Paul?
Paul Teller (00:07:10):
Well, and you're really hitting the nail on the head because what it says, first of all, it isn't just a one-time thing, right? There's other examples I'm sure you're going to mention and we're going to talk about today. You can just Google Democrat corruption and a lot really comes up, Jeffrey Epstein, et cetera, et cetera. We'll get to that. But what's amazing is the cognitive dissonance, right? The notion that they think that anything wrong in America, the Democrats say it's all Donald Trump. And you know what? I would just say, let's grab a mirror. Let's look at a mirror. Mr. And Mrs. Democrat leader, Mr. Mr. Democrat elected official. A lot of it is in your party as well, and it needs to be routed out and needs to be admitted honestly, right? In other words, it needs to say like, look, we've got some imperfect human beings here in the Democratic Party and we're going to deal with it, but I don't think we're going to see that, right? They will not deal with their own. They will just circle the wagons, defend them, and point things back to Trump and say, there's nothing to see here in the Democratic Party, which of course is not true.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:08:09):
I think you're exactly right. They will continue to just say nothing to see here, move right along. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Paul Teller (00:08:16):
That's right. That's right. Good reference.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:08:19):
And corruption isn't just financials. Sometimes it's about power and access. Now to the US Virgin Islands where another bombshell drop, Stacey Plaskitt, the delegate to the United States Congress from the US Virgin Islands, one of the Democrats stars in the impeachment was texting Jeffrey Epstein during a congressional hearing targeting President Trump. Kris, how politically explosive is this issue?
Kris Ullman (00:08:47):
It's interesting. Jenny Beth, if you listen to her and Jasmine Crockett and others defending her, Jeffrey Epstein was constituent. The Epstein pedophile island was in her district, which is why she was texting him. And it's just crazy. It's not just these two examples. If there was a story that broke I think overnight about what's happening in Minneapolis regarding Medicaid fraud with all these children, Somali children being put on the Medicaid rolls claiming they have autism. There's a story in the paper today about a homeless shelter in Richmond, Virginia where the woman was skimming off $200,000 off the top of this money that's supposed to go to homeless people. We have got serious corruption in a lot of these programs that Democrats are touting is they're so great. Well, what they end up being is a way for them to skim money off, take it away from the people who need it and enrich their own coffers. And I think this is with Doge with other things. This is an issue that Republicans really need to jump on and root out all this fraud and corruption that's going on in these government programs.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:10:13):
You are 100% right. They really do need to get rid of the fraud and corruption. And I suspect there is just so much more, we're only hearing about where people are getting caught. But I bet there is a lot that where people are not getting caught In Illinois, the corruption takes a different form manipulating elections themselves. Paul, representative Chuy Garcia is attempting to install his chief of staff as his success successor without a meaningful Democrat primary. How unprecedented and how undemocratic is this for the Democrat party?
Paul Teller (00:10:48):
And I'm sorry we're all laughing as you're leading that in, right? Because it is just amazing that they could do this with a straight face. And that actually is the worst part of this, right? They're not even doing it and saying, oh gosh, I'm sorry. You're right. I shouldn't have done that or this was wrong. No, they think this is completely fine. This is the normal course of business. In fact, all you really need to do in terms of precedent is look to Kamala Harris, right? She got not one vote in the primary election for the Democrat race for President Joe Biden won that race. He won the primary. And Democrat party leaders just said, yeah, you know what? No, we disagree. We don't care what the people voted for, who the people voted for. We don't care about the process. We're just going to switch him out and put in his current vice president just because we feel like it. I mean talk about, and then the Democrats have the nerve to say, oh wait, it's the Republicans that are ruining democracy. I mean, I'm sorry to keep laughing. It's really not funny, right? It's outrageous. But once you do it from the top for the president of the United States and their candidate, why shouldn't they do it at all levels of the electoral process? And that's what you're seeing in Illinois.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:11:59):
Yeah, you're exactly right. And super delegates picked Biden over Bernie Sanders and they picked Obama over Hillary Clinton. So the Democrat Party has no problem at all with their establishment and their elite determining who they think is the best person regardless of how their primary votes turn out. And then there's this one that I think is the most dangerous story of all one that targets the US military. Let's watch this clip. I'm Senator
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Alyssa Slotkin,
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Senator Mark Kelly, representative Chris Deo,
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Congresswoman Maggie Goodland, representative Chrissy Houlahan,
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Congressman Jason Crow. I was a captain in the United States Navy,
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Former CIA officer,
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Former Navy former Paratrooper and Army Ranger,
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Former intelligence officer, former Air Force.
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We want to speak directly to members of the military
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And the intelligence community
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Who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.
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We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military,
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But that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniform, military and
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Intelligence community professionals
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Against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect and defend this constitution. And right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home, our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
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You can refuse illegal orders.
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You must refuse illegal orders.
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No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.
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We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant,
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But whether you're serving in the CIA,
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The Army or Navy,
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The air Force,
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Your vigilance is critical.
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And know that we have your back
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Because now more than ever,
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The American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws,
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Our constitution, and who we are as Americans. Don't give up. Don't give up. Don't give up. Don't give up the ship.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:13:49):
Now, of course, when they've been asked in interviews, they can't tell what order that they think the military is receiving that is illegal, that the military should disregard. Kris, how dangerous is it for these six Democrat lawmakers to urge the military to not follow orders?
Kris Ullman (00:14:13):
I just want to say after watching that clip, I feel like I have to break myself out of this psyop. One of the things of PSYOPs is they repeat the same thing over and over and over again to take you in. But yes, there is no information there. This is extremely dangerous.
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I mean to insinuate that there are these unlawful orders to sort of get people into this trance-like state, are we Soviet? Russia? I mean, honest to God, I don't understand it. I know I have a lot of faith in our military men and women. They can tell when something is being done to them to try to get them into a trans like state. I think a lot of them will say, you guys are giving us no information. What are you doing? But it's really undermining the military. It undermines every citizen's faith in our constitution. And it's just plain creepy. I'm sorry, I just was creeped out by it really
Jenny Beth Martin (00:15:17):
Is
Kris Ullman (00:15:18):
Quite
Jenny Beth Martin (00:15:18):
Creepy.
Paul Teller (00:15:19):
Well, and Jenny Beth too. What's so scary about that? And it is super creepy, but the Scion great points, Kris, absolutely. But they're really encouraging each individual soldier in the battlefield to just kind of minute to minute make a judgment. Is this order legal? Is it sort of legal? This part's legal, that part's not legal. Can you imagine trying to run a military that way? It's unbelievable. I mean, what maybe the members are talking about if something is not in a battlefield context and clearly illegal, in other words, if someone gives an order, say break into this apple store and steal some phones, okay, yeah, you don't have to do that. But anything in a military battlefield type context, something that is clearly within the accepted behavior of a military, the notion that soldiers, individual soldiers could be thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands at any one moment, given the size of the conflict, is supposed to individually make an assessment and partially ignore, fully ignore, maybe adhere to this and that, but not that totally insane. Can't believe they would do that, especially when they had military and national intelligence experience themselves just really shameless.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:16:29):
It is shameless, and they're absolutely complete hypocrites as well, because when we were dealing with COVID, they told all Americans we had to obey things that were actually unconstitutional, like the masking on planes. And they wanted forced vaccinations of military members even when it went against their religious beliefs. And the Supreme Court struck that down as well. So these members sitting there saying that, where were they during the last administration? Where were they? Why weren't they standing up for the constitution then? Okay, Kris, impulse hold tight, because we're bringing in Dr. Catherine Welch. These stories show that we were just going to show how deeply our institutions are being compromised. And nowhere is that more concerning than in public health, which brings us to the CDCs stunning reversal on vaccines and autism. Dr. Catherine Welch, who is a pediatrician, joins us now. Dr. Welch, thank you so much for being here.
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:17:28):
Absolutely. My pleasure. I'm stoked to be able to talk about this.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:17:33):
Well, let's get right into it. The CDC now admits that vaccines do, the vaccines do not cause autism claim was never evidence-based. How significant is this?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:17:47):
This is extremely significant one because as parents, we'll no longer be able to be gaslit by pediatricians. Of course, we will see how many pediatricians actually look at the CDC, but this is an important distinction in the language. So here we see that before the CDC said that there's no evidence to say that vaccines are causing autism. Now the language does not say that they do cause autism, but it says it opens the door. It says the evidence does not say that they do. And it does not say that they don't. And so this is very important. It's not saying that, okay, it's clear that they do. It just says more the data that is available does not mean, you can say that there's absolutely categorically no link between the causes.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:18:36):
And they were not posting some studies on their website. Correct. So they were posting the ones that fit the narrative that there was no coordination between vaccines and autism. But then there were some that showed that there might be, and they weren't publishing those at all. Why is it significant that they were ignoring some studies?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:19:02):
Well, first of all, it's just medical freedom and freedom of information and allowing people free access. I mean, this is our government website and I believe in form consent. And so I run a practice. I don't have very many people who are vaccinating in my practice, but I don't kick them out if they do, and I don't kick them out if they don't. So it's informed consent and this is the data that belongs to the people. In fact, most of the studies, especially by the NIH or Institute of Medicine and those things, they're funded by taxpayer money. And so we should have access freely to that information. But you can't cherry pick studies that want to agree with a particular narrative. And so let the science speak for itself. There's science that's always questioning and always new studies that are coming out. For example, the study by Henry Ford and in Detroit, that was just uncovered thank you to Senator Ron Johnson.
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And so that's why this is important and that's why this language is opening the door to invite more criticism, more studies. And if it doesn't prove, that's great. If it does proof well, we need more studies. But there is no, I don't think we're going to find any definitive link because it's always going to be the genetics of an individual. It's always going to be the other environment, what was given, how many vaccines? There's no, there's nothing that show. This definitely is causation, but there's so many different factors that go in, especially in a newborn and an undeveloped immune system that shows, but parents, they need to have better information. And that's why this is so key.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:20:54):
And I think that's really important. They need better information so that they can make the right decisions for their own children. And we need better information from the federal government, especially the CD, C, so we can actually trust for those of us who lost faith in the CDC, we can get faith back into it. What do you think this, having suppressed this information, and now that we know that it was suppressed, what do you think that has done to trust in the federal agencies and what do you think that now that they're changing what they're doing on the website, how do you think that's going to shift trust in the agency?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:21:33):
Well, not much actually, but it needs to happen. And then maybe eventually it's not going to, I mean, I don't know, but it may not change much trust for the people who've lost trust. It may lose trust for those people who are buying the narrative that the religious slogan, that vaccines are all safe and effective. It might erode trust in the CDC because they're going to see it the other way. Like, oh, now RFK Jr, he's got all of his narrative and now they're pushing this narrative. And so it may erode trust by some other people who think differently, but regardless, it doesn't matter whether you believe what someone says or not, you should be able to look at data and data needs to be sound studies. And so that's one of the things that they say about in that section. They delineate some of those other young childhood vaccines such as DT ap and then the pertussis and HIB and things like that, delineating that from the MM r.
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And they said, well, there's no definitive link, but then it says, these studies were not done very well. And so I think we just need studies that are done well that can show, that can demonstrate once and for all. Well, maybe not once and for all, but they start, the people just need better information. And a lot of people don't know how to tell the difference between a good study and a not study and a not very well done study. In fact, a lot of doctors don't know how to tell the difference. But regardless, the CDC is not there to convince someone one way or another. The CDC is there to be a source of information that we should be able to trust and at least go for information and then evaluate. I mean, that is what peer review is. We have these peer reviewed, but then it's peer review when you publish for the whole world to see. And then does that pass muster? Can these studies be replicated? Is that reflective of what we're seeing?
Jenny Beth Martin (00:23:43):
So you just mentioned that it's hard for people to tell the difference between a good study and a bad study, and even some doctors can't tell that difference. What would you say to the average layman to figure out what is a good study versus a bad study?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:23:58):
Yeah, they need to, well, actually this should be taught in medical school, but it's not. But you have to look at methodology. You can find maybe a doctor, a researcher that knows how to, I think it would be great to have a crash course like a master's course in how to delineate good studies. And I think to explain that is a little bit beyond this program, but I think you can tell. But what I would suggest is that people who are just learning do not just read the abstract and believe what's in the abstract. You've got to go in and dig. You've got to dig deeply. You've got to see the methodology, you've got to see the conclusion. You've got to see some of those results like anything. Also, people should look at the package inserts that comes with the vaccines and any other medication, and then you can look at the sections that say adverse reactions, what are the actual ingredients and things like that. And so they need to be their own fact checker.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:25:04):
Okay. I think that makes a lot of sense. There was something I was going to ask you based on what you were saying, but I forgot that, let me ask this. From the changes with the CDC right now, what is it that parents should take from this?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:25:20):
I think they should take that this is a sign that the science is not so right regarding the link between autism and vaccines. We can't say that there is a direct link, but what we can say, and what this language is very clear about is before they were saying there's absolutely no link, there's no studies that show this. Now, this is opening the door that says there is signal there, there is something. And when there is signal, there's some smoke, maybe there's fire because it does say that one in two parents with kids who are on the autism spectrum suspect that vaccines had something to do with it, right? That's not very scientific, but there's some link like my kid was fine, and then the next day he or she wasn't, right? And so this is also opening the door, say parents weren't wrong, they can't be gaslit.
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There is something there and that we should keep our eyes open on that website. We should hold the CDC to account. We need to follow up and make sure those studies are done and that there is more information forthcoming and that we're seeing studies being published and studies being funded because that's a problem. Big pharma is making a ton of money on these. Big pharma is a big funder of medical research. And so being able to open the door and say, okay, we're going to have some funding, even private money, whatever, that these studies will be done and they will see the light of Jay,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:26:59):
I remembered what I was going to say. You triggered it by saying the science is not settled. I think that it's important as a patient and not a doctor that we pay attention to the fact that science does evolve. That is the nature of science. It is supposed to evolve and it is supposed to be challenged, but that also means that things that we think or may have a hunch about or that we think it's true, sometimes we can be wrong. And we have to be willing to look at the data and look at the facts and be honest with ourselves about what we're seeing regardless of whether we're talking about vaccines and autism or just any medical issue. We've got to pay attention to the fact that, and sometimes we may think things are just black or white and there might be a little gray area in there if the data says that. My point is I think that as lay people, it's very important that we don't just become so fixed in our ways that we're not paying attention to the studies and the data ourselves.
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:28:02):
Exactly. And it's all about helping parents make the best decision for their children and their families. And I have these conversations all the time. I mean, parents are set. They think, oh, well, I'm not going to vaccinate. My kids were good. But then the measles outbreak came last year, and then there was a whole new flood of questions like, am I doing the right thing? Is this okay? Should we be getting protected and revisiting and encouraging and looking at the science and looking at the disease and looking at the risk factors and individual risk factors. And so when parents ask me, are there any vaccines you recommend or anything you would never give? And I said, well, it always comes down to the individual. Where are you traveling? What's a risk factor? Things like that. And so it's never a blanket statement because it should be an individual decision. And this is why I'm really excited because when there's no blanket statement that's saying there's no link, it further erodes always say the influence for mandates and vaccine mandates. And so it's going to erode what I say, the evidence to backup up vaccine mandates. And so this is another reason why this is really good.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:29:22):
I completely agree with that. And what you were saying, really it boils down to this, there's no one size fits all when it comes to healthcare. It really is about you as an individual having the conversations with your doctor, the relationship between the patient and the doctor matters. And we don't want one solution for the entire country of over 300 million people that it won't work. And some people will be okay, but others will be worse off. So you really have to have those conversations, look at the data and look at your own personal health history.
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:29:58):
A hundred percent.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:30:00):
Okay. I have two questions for you. This is my last formal question, and then on top of that, I'll tell you what I'm asking. So you mentioned that the CDC should be held accountable. What do you think that means? How would that look to you? And then is there anything else that you want people to know about this change from the CDC?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:30:20):
Yeah, so first question, we need to watch that space. We need to continue to write in. We need to make sure that the CDC is coordinating with other bodies that are doing research like the NAH, things like that to make sure that, hey, you said that it's not clear. We can no longer say that there's an absence of evidence, but we need to produce more evidence. And the CDC is not doing research in and of itself that I know of, but most of the research is being done by other NIH and other government funding avenues. So we need to make sure that it does not stop there and what is being done and furthering. And what was your part two of that question,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:31:06):
And then is there anything else that we missed that I missed asking you that you think people should know about the change today related to this topic?
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:31:17):
Not that I can, I mean, I think we pretty much covered everything. I think I just want to stress that this is just a shift in the language, and this is a shift in the way we can talk about vaccines. And it's out in the open. There's been, I don't want to go into it now, but there's been a series of announcements about gender, about transplants, about vaccines, and about all these things that it's shifting the narrative, shifting the language, opening the door for these conversations, for this research for people to say, see, it puts it back on the table from the very top. And this is what's exciting.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:31:57):
Very good. Dr. Welsh, thank you so much for your clarity and your courage, and thank you for joining us today. I appreciate it.
Dr. Katherine Welch (00:32:03):
Pleasure, pleasure.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:32:04):
Okay. Now I'm going to bring back in Paul and Chris because the political, constitutional and cultural implications of the CDC reversal are enormous. So let's start with Paul. What does this reversal say about the credibility and honesty of our federal health agencies? Was it incompetent or deliberate deception?
Paul Teller (00:32:22):
Yeah, and maybe a combination of the two and the three of us actually worked together. Obviously during COVID, those unfortunate months in 2020, especially in the beginning, right beginning and middle of the year, we didn't really exactly know what was going on. But yeah, what was so upsetting was so many doctors and so many government doctors, government researchers just out there saying, I have the answer. I know it. It's absolute. And no one can question it. And that is just so horrible. So that's what was so refreshing listening to Catherine just now, just have a doctor sit there and say, there are nuances, there are things we don't know. There are things we're still learning. There are things we could correct from the past. There are things we could do better in the future. That's so refreshing because that's something we weren't hearing in 2020.
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We maybe still don't hear from many doctors and certain scientific researchers. And I do think as you insinuated Jenny Beth, that the CDC does have a long way to claw back to get trust of the American people. I know personally, I don't have a particular high level of trust in government, healthcare workers, bureaucrats, politicians, you name it. I mean, why should they know what they're talking about? They work for the government. They circled an ad at the back of a classified newspaper. I mean, they've really discredited themselves from COVID and since then, and it's hard to get that back. But I do like, as Catherine Welch pointed out, maybe they can get at least some of it back by admitting there's room for debate, there's room for nuance, that the science is not settled because what science is really ever settled on anything. And I just love that she really is pointing out those nuances that we need to explore.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:34:05):
Okay. And Paul, a follow up question. Since the CDC was deliberately or incompetently squashing some studies that showed a different narrative, do you think that Congress should pursue hearings about this matter?
Paul Teller (00:34:20):
Good question. Yeah. I think that that would be a fantastic thing to do, get the information out, frankly, even get the perspective out that we've just been talking about. Let people see it's okay to disagree with your doctor. It's okay to disagree with your government healthcare researcher. It's okay to disagree with a talking head who's got an MD after his name, but is really just a talking head on a broadcast news service. That's okay. And that there's different studies that show different things, and that's okay. We should explore things like you said, Jenny Beth, what's good for our family? Let's get the full spectrum of information and not just kind of assume everything is settled. It is what it is. You can't talk about it. You can't question it. That's outrageous. So yeah, congressional hearings would be great at getting that perspective out.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:35:07):
Okay. And Kris, speaking of censorship, parents who raised questions were mocked and censored about the link between autism and the vaccines. How much damage do you think this has done to parental rights and medical freedom?
Kris Ullman (00:35:21):
It has done a tremendous damage to parents' trust in the medical community. I think one thing, as a mom who had a baby 24 years ago, and I had a doctor at that time who basically admitted to me, a lot of the rules are done because there's a segment of our population that will only bring their baby to one visit, and we've got to jam as many vaccines into that baby on that one visit. But I had a doctor who listened to me and said, you're educated. I know that you're going to bring your baby back so we can space these out. So the trust between the medical community and parents, parents need to know that they have a voice and they need to find a doctor who will listen to them. And I also think that one of the things that this administration is trying to do is to say to the average American, we actually trust you.
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We know that you're going to make the best decision you can for your family. You don't need big brother government to come in and tell you what to think and tell you what to say and tell you what to do certain things. And as this administration and the different players in it returns that authority back to parents in education, in healthcare and other things, I think we're going to see our coalition grow. We're going to have that respect between the bureaucrat and between the government and the citizens that was so vital to a healthy republic. And so that's one of the things that I'm excited about is that I think I see the tide turning now where parents are trusted a little bit more, are encouraged to ask questions, are encouraged to have conversations and not just told, sit down, shut up, and we'll tell you what to do.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:37:14):
I think that that makes a lot of sense, and I hope that your hopeful, optimistic attitude is correct. Let me ask you this directly, Kris, do you think the CDC was intentionally misleading the public?
Kris Ullman (00:37:33):
I think that's a question for maybe Congress to ask, because I don't know what their intentions were. I know that it's a lot easier if you can just get everybody to believe the same thing and ignore your lion eyes and just believe what we're saying. It's much easier to control people when everybody's forced to believe the same thing. But I know a lot of families that have had a variety of different experiences with vaccines, and so I don't think they can be ignored. So I don't know what the intention of the CDC was, but I think it was, we can't have renegade people going out and saying something different than what we are saying, and Congress needs to look into it. Was big pharma involved? Did they want to reduce their liability on this? Who knows? I think these are all questions that need to be asked and asking. There's nothing wrong with asking these questions and should be asking these questions.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:38:37):
And then Kris, the media amplified the CDC D'S position and did their part to prevent the renegade people, as you just called it, the censored dissent. What responsibility do you think the media bears here?
Kris Ullman (00:38:51):
Oh, well, humongous responsibility. I mean, look at COVID was an example of the media depending on who was speaking, they just amplified that message when President Trump would question even question, well, maybe Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, maybe these things, oh, no, that's bad. That's horse pace, that's whatever. I think people died during COVID because of what the media put out because of their just syco relationship with certain actors, including Anthony Fauci. And I do think that a robust media is what we, the American people in the past relied on, and it was missing then. And I think a lot of it is missing with the CDC on this issue, on the trans issue and on other issues as well.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:39:44):
Paul, how do you think we rebuild trust in federal agencies? Or should their power be reduced or should we do both rebuild trust and reduce their power?
Paul Teller (00:39:54):
No, that's a great question, right? Yeah. I don't think we want to, as conservatives be sitting here saying, unless we need strong trust in our federal government and our federal agencies. Right, exactly. So no. Right. But in the meantime, the ones that are going to stay for a long time, right? Obviously President Trump and Republicans in Congress are working to either eliminate or reduce the scope of, reduce the size of different federal powers, federal, federal agencies, federal programs, but many are going to be with us for a long time. So in the process, yeah, it would be good to at least build some trust. And it goes back to what we were saying before, if you could allow for free thinking, allow for questioning, allow for debate, allow for science to conflict with each other. That's the thing. I'm always amazed when someone says, the science is settled, really because your study conflicts with this other guy's study.
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Why should we believe yours and not the other one? Why don't we talk it out? See which study is better? Maybe both are relevant for different types of people or different timeframe, different ages. You name it. All the things that can make scientific studies come out with different responses for the same drug or that kind of thing. So I just think that, yeah, going back to what Catherine Welch was saying, it's nuance, right? Allowing debate, allowing nuance, I think brings trust back. Nobody, no American citizen wants to just be told by their government, this is how it is. If you think differently, you're a moron. And please listen to our overlords who are gods on earth and know everything about what there is to know in medicine. It's ridiculous.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:41:29):
These are really important insights. Now, let's turn to another failing institution, big city, criminal justice systems in Chicago. This one's really tough. A man set fire to a woman on the blue line train. And this man had been arrested and released 22 times he was arrested. His arrest included nine felonies, one of which included assault on a social worker. Here, let's watch this clip.
NBC Chicago Clip (00:41:57):
Breaking news this morning as a woman is now in critical condition in the hospital after she was set on fire by a man on a train. So this happened just before nine 30 last night on the CT, a blue line near Clark and Lake Police tell us that 26-year-old woman was riding the train when she got into an argument with a man who police believe is 45 years old, that argument turned physical, and that's when officers say the man poured some kind of liquid on her and set her on fire. Chris,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:42:29):
Why are career criminals like this still allowed to run around on the streets of America? How did our justice system deteriorate to this point?
Kris Ullman (00:42:37):
I think what you have is a lot of George Soros prosecutors who think that social justice is more important than personal safety and community safety. Look, our government was formed. The federal government, state governments are supposed to do those things we can't do for ourselves. And one of those is public safety. That is one of the primary roles of government from police officers to prosecutors to get these guys off the street. But when you had George Soros going in, electing certain prosecutors who said, you know what? So-and-so had a tough childhood. Oh, I don't know. We've arrested too many people of a certain demographic this month. We are not going to arrest anymore. You end up with situations like this. Look, I've got a daughter who goes to school in Chicago. I've been following this story. This guy set fire to City Hall a couple of days before. Same guy. My parents live in Charlotte, North Carolina. There was somebody, that girl was murdered on that train. There are blue cities and there are red cities. But what we see is a lot of these cities have very liberal prosecutors who aren't interested in enforcing public safety, and real people are harmed and died as a result.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:43:56):
Let me ask you a follow-up question. What responsibility do you think the Democrat lawmakers bear for enabling repeat violent offenders to stay on our streets?
Kris Ullman (00:44:07):
They have a lot of responsibility because they back things like no cash bail, like not just a lot of letting a lot of repeat offenders out. And so when you put in these processes that let violent criminals back on the streets to harm again, of course you are responsible. Of course, you're liable to somebody. I mean, it just makes sense. This is human nature. This is the way the world works When you let people out who are known to be violent and known to be harmful, and they offend against the blood is partially on their hands. I am not afraid to say it. It is the truth. Paul,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:44:50):
Do you think this was a result of progressive ideology or a refusal to punish crime? Or am I repeating myself there?
Paul Teller (00:44:56):
That's right. Yeah, definitely repeating yourself. Yeah, no, of course. It's purely ideological. And you know what? There is one other angle to it that I think is worth bringing out. These prosecutors, these liberal lawmakers, the left wing talking heads on tv, none of them live in dangerous areas. None of them take any underground transportation. These are people that are taking their own cars, parking in $30 a day garages. They live in high rises with doormen and very fancy buildings, or they live in nice suburbs with 6,000 square foot houses. They have absolutely no idea what their policies do to real people because they don't experience it. And I think what would be great for some accountability would be as part of making these folks understand what's going on, let's force them to live in these crime ridden areas. Let's force them to ride these underground transportation methods at night.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:45:53):
So Paul, we're going to switch topics from crime and go over to something that I think is good news. President Trump is rolling back harmful endangered Species Act regulations that have burdened farmers, ranchers, landowners, and energy producers for decades. Paul, how significant do you think this is?
Paul Teller (00:46:15):
Yeah, fantastic. It just continues a strong record of deregulation that President Trump started in the first four years that I was privileged, where I was privileged to work. And in the second administration, he's continuing that record. It's so important because you hear so many horror stories, specifically from the Endangered Species Act, right? I used to work for Senator Ted Cruz, was blessed to be his deputy chief of staff under then Chief Chip Roy. Many of you have heard that name, and then was blessed to be his chief of staff. So heard a lot of Texas ranchers and landowners farmers come in and tell stories about how they have thousands of acres that they can't touch because some bureaucrat in a suit, again, going back to the previous segment, someone who doesn't live on a farm who's never ranched in his or her life, shows up in a limousine one day to say, there's some weird species that lives on these thousand acres.
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You can't use it. You can't disturb. Its nesting. You can't disturb the eggs, whatever it is, and regardless of the impact on your family, on your business, on your livelihood. So it's just been really awful how that particular law and related laws have been applied to the American people. So to see President Trump and the administration roll those back even just a little bit, they're still very much in force. They're not the Endangered Species Act, just enforcing it in a much more sensible way so that there's a balance between land ownership, business operations, and the needs of certain animals and species to keep them healthy and thriving.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:47:44):
Okay. And then switching gears, just slightly, conservative attorneys are being encouraged to pivot to a new strategy. Let's watch this clip from Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division, Harmit Dylan
Harmeet Dhillon Clip (00:47:59):
At the Department of Justice. Our mission is unwavering, uphold the rule of law and protect the civil rights of every American. We're seeking passionate champions of civil rights to enforce justice and defend freedoms wherever they're threatened in schools, workplaces, housing, and beyond. As a lawyer in our civil rights division, you'll tackle real cases that matter to the American people. You'll protect American workers, secure our elections, ensure fairness in women's sports, support responsible citizens' right to bear arms, safeguard students from all walks of life, and uphold the integrity of our constitutional republic. Your work will ensure that every American is protected. This isn't about headlines or ideology. It's about equal justice, no special treatment, no second class citizens. I'm looking for civil litigators, criminal prosecutors, appellate lawyers, and paralegals who are ready to make a difference, defend the constitution and uphold the principles our nation was founded on. We want you apply now@usajobs.gov.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:49:14):
Kris Harmeet is urging attorneys to step up and apply for jobs working within the Department of Justice. What do you say to that? And what would you tell fellow attorneys about going to work for the Department of Justice?
Kris Ullman (00:49:28):
Well, I am a former Department of Justice employee back in the 2000, 2001, actually 2001. And I will say that we talk a lot about public service, and this is a public service. And yes, attorneys can make a lot more money on the outside working for a big law firm, but it is very, very honorable to sacrifice some years of your life and go into public service and help to protect and defend the United States Constitution because that's what Harmit was talking about. Having cases that help uphold our constitutional system, uphold the civil rights of all Americans, and it's so vitally important. And so I do encourage all conservative attorneys that if you're able to make the sacrifice and it is a sacrifice, public service is service. And to go in and give 2, 3, 4 years of your life in a very noble profession, a lot of us went to law school because we believed very strongly in our legal system. And if you believe that way, I encourage you to go ahead and make the plunge and work at the DOJ,
Jenny Beth Martin (00:50:44):
Okay? And I hope that they do, and I have helped. I've recruited a few attorneys to go work for the Department of Justice, and I encourage any attorneys who are watching right now, if you have not considered going to work for the Department of Justice, and you care about President Trump's agenda, go work for the Department of Justice. They need you. We need you in there. The Department of Justice needs backup, and we need people who support what President Trump is doing, want to defend the Constitution and make sure that we have enough attorneys to get that job done. Okay, now, tomorrow, the White House is going to host a really intriguing meeting. President Trump is said to meet with a newly elected socialist mayor of New York, Zoran Mond. And just a few weeks ago, Manami said this,
Zohran Mamdani Clip (00:51:39):
So hear me, president Trump when I say this to get to any of us, you'll have to get through all of us.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:51:50):
Kris, just a few weeks ago, Manami was saying President Trump would have to go through him, and now Manami is headed to the White House. What is President Trump stand to gain from this meeting, and what do you think is going to happen at it?
Kris Ullman (00:52:03):
Well, I actually think it's a good idea, and I think that the President should go in and say, Mr. Mond, this is the US Constitution. Love that it lays out the things that I get to do. It lays out the things that you get to do, but you are not going to tell me how to do my job. And so we can pussyfoot around. We can pretend he's not there, or President Trump's really good at going head on. And so I actually applaud his willingness to sit down. We've seen how he can be in meetings with people who are a little belligerent. So I wonder what 34-year-old Mond is going to do, go in the Oval Office and tell Donald J. Trump what he's going to do and tell Donald J. Trump to sit in the back. I don't think that's going to happen, and I hope it's televised because I think it'll be really good.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:52:57):
I think it would be really good as well. I hope that it's televised to you. Okay. We have a major milestone today at the United States Supreme Court. Justice Clarence Thomas is now the fifth longest serving justice in American history. Paul, what does this legacy mean for the Constitution and for the conservative movement?
Paul Teller (00:53:16):
Yeah, what a blessing, right? First of all, just what a great human being. Any of us who
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Had the privilege of interacting with him in person for 30 seconds at a minimum, you just know what a warm but strong and passionate and principled human being he is. And our country is blessed to have him at all, let alone on the Supreme Court. And so that's fantastic. So that's a great milestone. What it really means is that we have defender of liberty that is God willing, not going anywhere. We hope he stays on the court as long as humanly possible, as long as he's able to be upright, because his rulings have been fantastic. I think of the ruling in the affirmative action case, for example, he wrote that opinion, and just, if you haven't read that, just pull that out. It's powerful. I mean, it is just incredible. And he's got so many decisions like that. Some dissents, of course, but also some decisions that are just miraculously written and massively loyal to the actual meaning of the original meaning of the Constitution. So good to have him. We hope he stays for much, much longer.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:54:23):
And if you haven't watched the documentary Created Equal, it is a documentary about Supreme Court Justice Thomas, and he speaks in it, and he's giving an interview in it. And Paul, I've never had the opportunity to meet him, so I just loved watching that documentary, and I encourage everyone to go check that out if you've never seen it created equal. Before we close out, I want to address a very troubling trend. Young people, especially on the left, but also on the right, are becoming increasingly skeptical of America's bond with Israel. And we've seen antisemitism on the rise in the country from both sides of the political aisle. Paul and Kris, I want you both to tell me why you think this is happening, what's driving the shift in how we restore moral clarity about the United States Israel relationship? Paul, let's start with you and then we'll go to Kris.
Paul Teller (00:55:20):
I appreciate it. Thanks Jenny Beth for bringing that up. Super important topic. And you're right, we could have done really the whole show on this, right? It's so disheartening and unbelievable, and I think what's even maybe more upsetting is that I think what you're seeing now is more of an unmasking of it. In other words, it wasn't like there was zero antisemitism until a couple years ago. Then all of a sudden it just blossomed and became anew. I think it was more just hidden and now has recently come uncovered. So that's the maybe one silver lining in this, is that, right? If you have an evil trend, you'd rather know about it, see where it is, and you can address it head on. I wish I knew why it was happening. Let's face it, antisemitism is thousands of years old, so it's hard to know where that is coming from and why that exists to this day.
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But I think at least some of it, we should give some credit to the fact that there are anti-Israel antisemites in the Middle East, let's say Qatar and Palestinian areas and other places that are funneling money into American sources, into influencers, into other people in places that unfortunately have an outsized influence on the minds of young folks, the folks who are on social media every day, who are on TikTok and other places. And if they're only getting this antisemitic, biased perspective all the time being fed to them, you could see how some folks, especially younger folks whose minds and ideas are being formed, how they would start leaning in that direction. So I think at least some of it in the modern context is due to the funding and fueling of it from overseas.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:56:58):
And Kris, what are I?
Kris Ullman (00:57:00):
Well, I agree with what Paul said 100%. And also what we've seen over the past decades is a growth in something called critical theory. Sometimes we hear about critical race theory, but there are other critical queer theory, and that is the idea that you don't have everything you want because somebody is trying to keep you down. You're constantly looking for that boogeyman who's robbing your happiness, your opportunity. And so I think what we see is that antisemitism plays into this idea that if you don't have everything you want, it's because somebody else is taking it. And there are people who are saying, it's the Jewish people, it's Israel. They're the reason that you don't have what you want. But all critical theory is dangerous, and it's very anti-American because in America, we believe in the inherent worth and dignity of every person, and that our success is a responsibility ourselves and how hard we work, and we want government to remove those barriers. And it's also, I think as parents, we need to make sure that maybe it's something our parents taught us to the dangers of antisemitism, that we got comfortable, and we didn't make it enough of a priority to reinforce that in our children, because if we just thought, oh, everybody knows, everybody knows what's wrong with it, with antisemitism. So I would encourage parents to talk to their children about what's what wrong with antisemitism, why it's so un-American, why it's so un-Christian, and against our American dream and our system of government.
Paul Teller (00:58:40):
And Jenny bet if you have, go ahead, Paul. Have two more seconds. Yeah. I'm just going to throw into another point worth making is I, as a Jewish American, have come to realize our best defenders, the best defenders of the Jews are believing Christians. They just are, right? And so, first of all, thank you. So thank you very much. But more importantly, I think maybe that's something else we should explore as a society, as America gets to be less of a religious country, if people are turning away from their faith, then that means they're probably turning away from supporting Jews, the foundation of Western civilization, right? The Judeo-Christian tradition. So that is at least probably part of something we should look at, that if the believing Christians are the best defenders of the Jews, then by extension, if you're not a believing Christian, if you're not a person of deep faith, you're a little looser in understanding the importance of the Jewish people to Western civilization and to just modern life.
Jenny Beth Martin (00:59:41):
That's a really very good point, Paul. I think that we also have to be willing to call it out if we see it, if we're in groups on social media or whatever, we need to be able to call it out and just say, no, this is wrong. I'm not going to going to stand by while you're doing this. The other thing, Kris, you were saying that as parents, we need to talk to our children. And that is absolutely right. So if you still have children who are at home and they're K through 12 and they're still home, talk to them about this issue and make sure they understand what antisemitism is and how it is wrong. But it doesn't stop there. If you have children in college, or even if your children are in their twenties or maybe even up to their thirties, it's okay as parents to go back and say, Hey, this might be an issue that I didn't really talk to you a lot about growing up because it wasn't a big issue, but this is fundamental and important and antisemitism is wrong.
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And make sure you're having those discussions, even if your kids are adult kids, so that you just make sure they know where you stand, that we're talking about this and that we're very clear. I think that there are left right issues in this country, and boy are there a lot of them. But I also think there are morals that we stand on as a country and those shouldn't be left or right. There's solid no matter what. And if we can't agree on those moral foundations, it's very difficult to go fight about all the other issues about the Democrat corruption or what's happening at the CDC or anything else. First, we must be able to agree on these moral foundations and that includes that racism is wrong and that antisemitism is wrong, and we just have to be able to agree on that regardless of political party in this country.
Kris Ullman (01:01:40):
Absolutely. Amen. Yep.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:01:42):
Alright, let's close out our show today with a really fast lightning realm. So the first question is this, and we'll go to each of you. So Paul, I'll go to you first. Fill in the blank. If we lose blank, we lose America.
Paul Teller (01:01:59):
Ooh. Well, you know what? How about I just pick up on what we were just talking about. If we lose Israel as our top American ally, we lose America. In other words, Israel is helping America survive. It's helping fight back against some of the worst enemies of America and preserving the Western civilization. So we lose Israel. We lose America.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:02:21):
Kris, what about you? If we lose blank, we lose America
Kris Ullman (01:02:25):
If we lose our commitment to our Constitution.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:02:30):
Very good. I agree. Okay. Now Kris, I'll start with you. What message would you send to corrupt politicians who've forgotten their oath of office?
Kris Ullman (01:02:42):
Read the Constitution, get it out. Read it. Figure out what you're supposed to do. It's right there as black and white. Go back and take a history course. That's what I would tell them to do.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:02:57):
Okay. And then Paul, what about you?
Paul Teller (01:02:59):
Well, and I don't want Kris to be the only one to have a visual aid of the God station. I love
Jenny Beth Martin (01:03:04):
You guys.
Paul Teller (01:03:05):
I keep it in my blazer every single day. You can see it. Look, it's all wrinkled and you're worn and torn. I think, not to cheat off of Kris's answer, but I would say the same thing. I would say, you know what? Have you actually read the Constitution? I don't mean a snippet of it, part of it, a clip of it. Have you actually sat down cover to cover, read the words of the Constitution? I'm guaranteeing that they really haven't, and it would be great if they would.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:03:30):
I completely agree with you on that. Alright, now the last one, and Paul go to you and then we'll go to Kris. What should pets do this week to defend their liberty?
Paul Teller (01:03:41):
Ooh, I love it. You know what? I would have everyone call their congressman and believe it or not, especially their Republican congressman and say, tell them, do not extend the Obamacare subsidies that are about to expire at the end of this calendar year. And that's, I know a whole other segment that's too much information for a lightning round, but that's the quick message. Call your Republican congressman, let the extra Obamacare subsidies expire. That would be great.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:04:08):
Well, I think that is a great one for you. You and I have been fighting against Obamacare since we met.
Paul Teller (01:04:14):
Oh yes, amen.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:04:15):
A long time ago. Okay. And Kris, what about you? What is your call to action for Patriots this week?
Kris Ullman (01:04:22):
Well, I think I could go back to my theme of as we embark on America two 50 to reread the Declaration of Independence
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And to really meditate on those words that are contained in it about all men are created equal and are endowed by inalienable rights, by their creator, life, liberty, happiness. And for this reason, governments are instituted. So I would encourage everybody to do that. Obviously, the Obamacare subsidies are very, very important that we do not extend them because you know what? That's just a symbol of what happens when government gets too big, tries to take too much authority and real people get hurt. That program is dying and we need to not prop it up anymore with your and my hard earned tax money.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:05:13):
No Obamacare bailouts. That's what I say.
Kris Ullman (01:05:15):
Right.
Jenny Beth Martin (01:05:17):
Kris and Paul, thank you so much for joining today.
Paul Teller (01:05:20):
Good to be with you. Thank you
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